I hear the Brunei Super League doesn't have too many social media outrages over their officials. At least not any I could understand
David Coote leaked video
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I've seen multiple LFC websites and accounts reporting win rate stats significantly lower with Coote as ref/VAR than the average across the Klopp era, with some pretty high-profile "mistakes" highlighted as part of those games. And that doesn't include missing one of the most obvious DOGSOs ever in the weekend just gone.
I don't know for sure if those numbers are correct and some statistical variance is to be expected of course. But it also doesn't look like complete swivel-headed madness to suggest that his decisions have directly impacted Liverpool's points totals in recent years.
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Not sure his previous posts gives him much credibility, especially when it comes to refereeing and laws. Feels like one of those people that claim to be "in the know" but are actually making it up as they go along. At one point yesterday he claims Liverpool are about to release a statement, an hour later he says they have decided not to. If they were planning on doing that a journalist that truly is in the know like Alex Crook would have been all over it.
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Looks like the identity of the chap in the video has come to light. Video was initially leaked in a cricket WhatsApp chat
They have been discussing this on talkSPORT throughout the day, as expected, but what has surprised me is a significant percentage of presenters and callers have come out in defence of Coote, including Liverpool fans. Many used the comparison to a player or manager making such comments about a referee, in that they would just get a fine and ban, and therefore Coote's career shouldn't be ended over this as that would be double standards.
There's been the odd conspiracy claim, but far more saying he just needs to receive a brief punishment and then everyone can move on from it.
There's been the odd conspiracy claim, but far more saying he just needs to receive a brief punishment and then everyone can move on from it.
It is of course a double standard
I also wonder how many of us have called step 1 and below pkayers/managers/clubs similar things on similar platforms...I bet the percentage is large...
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I still stand by the fact I don’t think the PGMOL can keep Coote around.
But I do think this needs to be a bit of a wake up call for PGMOL and referees in general. Coote obviously feels the way he does because of how he had been spoken to. But the elite are the only people who can change how referees are spoken to by dealing with it. Allowing players and managers to shout and scream in their face and then moaning about it behind closed doors (or on a leaked video) is no use.
If they’re concerned, start dealing with dissent and OFFINABUS correctly.
But I do think this needs to be a bit of a wake up call for PGMOL and referees in general. Coote obviously feels the way he does because of how he had been spoken to. But the elite are the only people who can change how referees are spoken to by dealing with it. Allowing players and managers to shout and scream in their face and then moaning about it behind closed doors (or on a leaked video) is no use.
If they’re concerned, start dealing with dissent and OFFINABUS correctly.
In theory yes, but they are managing ‘an event’, the PGMOL & EPL put referees under pressure to keep a lower profile than we at grass roots would like.
EPL & Sky want Klopp, Arteta etc to create controversy as it sells the product.
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Yeah yeah, I’ve listened to all the managing an event malarkey plenty of times. PGMOL only have themselves to blame by allowing the abuse to continue. There was bound to be a breaking point and this is potentially it.
They need to start standing firm and dealing with the abuse. Yes Sky and the broadcasters want the controversy, but a referee sending someone off is always controversial. So they’ll still get it.
Had he only said the things he said about Klopp, I think he gets a suspension and then moves on. But the friend saying what he does and Coote making no attempt to distance himself from those comments before or after could be the nail in the coffin.
People are talking about double standards, and to a point it is. But referees have to be held to a higher standard. They have to be seen to be completely impartial, managers and players don’t. Referees have the tools to deal with abuse, they simply choose not to use them.
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I've been a distant observer so far but I cannot concur with this more.
There are images of Klopp literally standing over colleagues screaming in their face. Full time employment and limited SG1 numbers have allowed a silly amount of overfamiliarity and this is the consequence. Numerous high level officials state as such when speaking with them; they simply do not want to risk upsetting these clubs who they will likely see multiple times a month, never mind across a season.
Strong action must be taken against the likes of Klopp in the first place to prevent the clash that SG1 officials endure publicly and are seemingly prevented from venting behind the scenes for fear of being recorded. Colleagues should not be seeing the same teams with the high ratio that they are currently.
But don't blame the SG1 match officials for not dealing with poor behaviour on the touchline as they are not supported by PGMOL or EPL.
I absolutely concur they should to set the example for the whole pyramid of football.
It isn't that straightforward, at least not from an individual referee perspective. It would need them to all get together and agree to a zero tolerance approach, if one of two went alone they would be sticking their heads above the parapet and they would get shot off.
It isn't just at the top level, when I was at L3 and 4th official on Conference / National League games there were times that I would have in an ideal world asked for a manager to be binned, but you just know it would count against you long term.
It would need a directive to be sent out enforcing absolute zero tolerance, but we all know PGMOL and The FA will never do that as the person issuing that mandate would be consigning their career to the bin.
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The referees at the very top are more than capable of dealing with dissent and OFFINABUS. They are not going to be sacked or demoted for sending someone off. Lower down the pyramid I understand why people are hesitant due to club marks.
If you genuinely believe your last paragraph, referee abuse will never stop. Therefore they might as well not waste time with respect campaigns etc, as they clearly have no intention of ending it.
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How do you know they aren’t supported by the PGMOL?
The German C*nt comment would get serious heat for a player but oddly not drawn as much here I see that as the worst bit as legally nationality is protected characteristic.
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I certainly don't blame the SG1 colleagues for this. I know directly from many of them that it simply isn't worth their time and inter-club relationship to take strong action.
EPL are the paymaster for the PGMOL, IMHO for that reason their first priority is that relationship & then their referees.
They can demote them in time, or don’t give them top EPL matches or any EPL matches at all so the referees absolutely have to follow their employer’s directives.
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So if PGMOL’s first priority is keeping the EPL sweet, then they need to stop promoting any form of respect campaigns as they are simply hypocritical. This would suggest they don’t give a toss about grassroots referees.
I don’t see the relationship between EPL & PGMOL being all too rosey, simply based on how much criticism officials get on a weekly basis. If keeping the EPL happy is their main objective, maybe they should start making the stakeholders happy……
Not a cat in hells chance they would demote an official for this or not give them any games. There simply aren’t enough officials to do this with. On top of that, no employer can demote or sack someone who correctly dealt with abuse in the work place.