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David Coote leaked video

Whatever one thinks of the leaker of this video, or the hypocrisy of the reaction to this criticism of a manager in light of players and managers criticising referees constantly, I cannot envisage that he remains on the PGMOL roster.

When I heard on the radio just now about the video, I anticipated it being a surreptitious recording, but knowingly being filmed saying what he did is a terrible error of judgement that I can't see a way back from, not in this country and/or for a good long while at least. I just really hope the PGMOL are providing him with the support that he needs and I can't help but feel sympathy for him, however stupid he was to do it.
 
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He's finished
Only an utter moron in his position would record himself saying this on camera

I keep saying it, 'the relationship between referees and the wider football community is completely broken'
In my view, both sides of this breakdown are responsible for the way things are. The relationship just deteriorated further

We are in a position of trust. Even if we harbour normal human viewpoints, we do not record ourselves expressing those thoughts
I have zero sympathy for him. Participant's actions have consequences. We're (refs) rightly held to a higher standard of account. The consequences of which mean there's no way back and the PGMOL has just lost a lot of trust
 
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The Gump said:
Whatever one thinks of the leaker of this video, or the hypocrisy of the reaction to this criticism of a manager in light of players and managers criticising referees constantly, I cannot envisage that he remains on the PGMOL roster.

When I heard on the radio just now about the video, I anticipated it being a surreptitious recording, but knowingly being filmed saying what he did is a terrible error of judgement that I can't see a way back from, not in this country and/or for a good long while at least. I just really hope the PGMOL are providing him with the support that he needs and I can't help but feel sympathy for him, however stupid he was to do it.
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I just take it from the human side of it, he was probably somewhat drunk, was with his mates and just expressed how he felt about Klopp, can you really sack someone for that?

I can't help but feel if this was Michael Oliver then the outcome will probably end up differently to what will probably end up happening to David Coote. I do hope the PGMOL has enough backbone and support him and stand by him.
 
It's about integrity. It's about trust
You simply cannot say this sort of thing about any participant when you are the one policing those participants
As for recording it. I don't care if he'd been drinking. It's a moronic and narcissistic act to record oneself
 
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Big Cat said:
It's about integrity. It's about trust
You simply cannot say this sort of thing about any participant when you are the one policing those participants
As for recording it. I don't care if he'd been drinking. It's a moronic and narcissistic act to record oneself saying what he said
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For me, I be more concerned about integrity and trust when ex referees have come out with comments that feeds those who believe there is an element of corruption going in. Mike Dean's comments I don't want to send a mate too the monitor to add extra scrutiny, or his comments just the other day that apparently you get a free foul in the big type of games(I know what he probably meant but it doesn't help) than someone with a mate telling him how he feels about a manager.

If he claims he didn't give decisions for Liverpool because he hates them then he has not got a leg to stand on but keep him out of the spotlight for a bit and don't use him on any future Liverpool games.
 
Paul_10 said:
I just take it from the human side of it, he was probably somewhat drunk, was with his mates and just expressed how he felt about Klopp, can you really sack someone for that?

I can't help but feel if this was Michael Oliver then the outcome will probably end up differently to what will probably end up happening to David Coote. I do hope the PGMOL has enough backbone and support him and stand by him.
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I completely get the human side of this, 100%. He'd probably forgotten about this, or didn't remember it anyway, and has now had his life turned upside down.

We've all probably referred to individuals who we've come across refereeing in disparaging terms not dissimilar to those on the video, or in our other professional or personal lives, but I'd never do it knowingly on film. I can sympathise with him on a human level but it doesn't change the fact that it was a catastrophic error of judgement.
 
Whether true or not?

‘Premier League referee David Coote vehemently denies inappropriate conduct and has been insistent to referee chiefs PGMOL that viral video in which he appears is not genuine. PGMOL have tech experts examining it.’
 
If he has denied it's him that could be a career-ender more than the 'offence'. As things stand there is nothing I can see in those videos that would suggest they are not genuine.
 
You can be prejudiced, you can be anything... and you'll get punished and cancelled accordingly
But none of that damages our integrity the same way that this does. I think this is seismic in terms of the PGMOL's reputation, which was already creaking
 
It looks fake. The denial makes me more convinced he didn't do it.

Implication that a fan could create a fake to get a referee removed from a particular fixture.
 
As someone who has worked with AI, I would be gobsmacked if that video is fake. AI is advanced but as to how effective it would be in producing a video where not only does a clearly inebriated Coote make those comments, but also shows a picture of himself with James Milner is questionable.

It’s a real video sadly. He has to lose his jobs for his comments (although as a United fan I agree with him on both) and for the fact that he looks like he’s on drugs rather than just drink
 
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Be careful what is said on here please folks, remember this is just an allegation at the moment. Whilst it looks real, so did some of the Southgate deep fake videos in the Summer, as well as many other deep fakes affecting celebrities.

If it is true, and I do stress if, I can see no way back and he would almost certainly be fired for gross misconduct. No different to an employee of a company calling a senior manager at one of their customers a very bad word on social media, you're getting fired for that 99% of times. Which would be more than a bit hypocritical in the football world as it had been the other way round it would be a slap on the wrist for the manager and perhaps a short ban, yet the other way round it is likely career ending.
 
DJIC said:
Whether true or not?

‘Premier League referee David Coote vehemently denies inappropriate conduct and has been insistent to referee chiefs PGMOL that viral video in which he appears is not genuine. PGMOL have tech experts examining it.’
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If it's genuinely a deep fake, they'll be able to prove it hopefully. I hope for his sake, and the sake of the game, it is.

If it's not, he's made it a whole lot worse.
 
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I’d take this with a pinch of salt. He calls Coote a ‘top’ Premier League referee!
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Hopefully you're right - in fairness this is the same source that just an hour ago was saying he was claiming it was AI so hopefully they've got no clue what they're on about
 
AI detection algorithms and human verification measures would've taken it down by now if it was deep fake
 
Joshref said:
As someone who has eroded with AI, I would be gobsmacked if that video is fake. AI is advanced but as to how effective it would be in producing a video where not only does a clearly inebriated Coote make those comments, but also shows a picture of himself with James Milner is questionable.

It’s a real video sadly. He has to lose his jobs for his comments (although as a United fan I agree with him on both) and for the fact that he looks like he’s on drugs rather than just drink
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Agree with this. AI is good, and it’s scary how good it can be. But it’s not this good
 
RustyRef said:
Be careful what is said on here please folks, remember this is just an allegation at the moment. Whilst it looks real, so did some of the Southgate deep fake videos in the Summer, as well as many other deep fakes affecting celebrities.

If it is true, and I do stress if, I can see no way back and he would almost certainly be fired for gross misconduct. No different to an employee of a company calling a senior manager at one of their customers a very bad word on social media, you're getting fired for that 99% of times. Which would be more than a bit hypocritical in the football world as it had been the other way round it would be a slap on the wrist for the manager and perhaps a short ban, yet the other way round it is likely career ending.
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I respect what you’re saying and am not trying to slander him. I believe you have said before work with tech so I know you will know what you’re on about.

But I have worked with AI and have looked at deepfakes. I just don’t see a way it is AI. There’s too many perfections (the Milner photo is what sends it).

The only way it could be a deep fake is the possibility that his words were dubbed (which to get an AI with David Coote’s voice would not be the work of an amateur but a malicious expert.)

And even that is an incredibly slim chance of being correct, just cos of the way the voice works. Even then, it means he was sat coked up (or at least he looks like it) on a strangers couch which isn’t a great look
 
I suspect the "German c**t" comment will be what does it for him.
Honestly who'd be an EPL referee?
Paid 2% of a players salary to be held to a much higher standard in your personal life.
 
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