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GraemeS said:
If I had got to a point where I was being appointed to ref a world cup quarter final, I would assume the people appointing me want the referee they have appointed to turn up, not some weird conflicted version of that person. I'm not the terrifying disciplinarian that some people on here claim to be, but I like to think that I have a good grasp of the laws, and I'm perfectly comfortable with the idea that what I'm being asked to do is enforce them.

So yeah, I like to think that if I found myself in the middle of a WC QF, I'd referee in the manner that got me there - mandatory cautions and all.


And you're comfortable with the idea that a player who dived twice might have scored the goal that kept Brazil in the game and potentially led to knocking Belgium out? You'd be fine with that if we sub the word "England" in for "Belgium" in that sentence?

Match control and low number of cautions are nice, well done ref. But you still have to get the basics right first.
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I’m talking about Croatia v Russia the thread title & topic of standing infront of the quick free kick, the Brazilian ref contolled the game well issuing two cautions.

I didn’t see the Neymar dives so can’t comment on them, although I hear they are pretty scandalous.
 
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Men in Black said:
I’m talking about Croatia v Russia the thread title & topic of standing infront of the quick free kick, the Brazilian ref contolled the game well issuing two cautions.

I didn’t see the Neymar dives so can’t comment on them, although I hear they are pretty scandalous.
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Sorry, got my threads mixed up - I think the general point stands though. Both dives and failing to respect the distance are mandatory cautions, are both pretty basic things for any ref to be expected to get right, and are both the kind of thing you would be very annoyed at if a ref bottled and a player stayed on and scored against you as a result when he should have been off.
 
GraemeS said:
Sorry, got my threads mixed up - I think the general point stands though. Both dives and failing to respect the distance are mandatory cautions, are both pretty basic things for any ref to be expected to get right, and are both the kind of thing you would be very annoyed at if a ref bottled and a player stayed on and scored against you as a result when he should have been off.
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I agree although I can sympathise with the ref in the Croatia v Russia game as it was 5 mins in & on the halfway line, in the grandscheme of balancing 90mins out I can see why he let it slide.

Tbh it’s pointless trying to discuss general refereeing and application of the laws at this World Cup it may Aswell be a different sport to what we are used to in the domestic game.
 
RobOda said:
I'm assuming he is referencing page 109 of 2017/18:

Law 13.3

"If, when a freekick is taken, an opponent is closer to the ball than the required distance, the free kick is retaken unless the advantage can be applied; but if a player takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 10 yards from the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue. However, an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick from being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play."
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I was indeed.
 
Men in Black said:
Would you take a different approach in a World Cup quarter final?

So 5 mins in would u still give the caution?

In the grand scheme of things the referee only had to give 2 cautions in the whole 90 mins, he had respect & complete match control.
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Personally, I'd be reaching for the yellow every time but especially only 5 mins in.

Bog standard refereeing protocol mate - nip it in the bud early on. That way, you can be consistent and preserve your match control.

Let them get away with it first-off and your match credibility goes out of the window when, after the upteenth time you then produce the first yellow card for it.

Basics. ;) :)
 
RobOda said:
I'm assuming he is referencing page 109 of 2017/18:

Law 13.3

"If, when a freekick is taken, an opponent is closer to the ball than the required distance, the free kick is retaken unless the advantage can be applied; but if a player takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 10 yards from the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue. However, an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick from being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play."
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Which, in Kesworld, means that a quickly taken free kick where a player was already within blocking distance - the ref just waves play on.
A free kick blocked where a defender has immediately (and deliberately) moved towards the ball after the whistle has gone but before it's been kicked, is getting that yellow every time. :cool:
 
Kes said:
Personally, I'd be reaching for the yellow every time but especially only 5 mins in.

Bog standard refereeing protocol mate - nip it in the bud early on. That way, you can be consistent and preserve your match control.

Let them get away with it first-off and your match credibility goes out of the window when, after the upteenth time you then produce the first yellow card for it.

Basics. ;):)
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Funny how the elite, and even EPL dont do as you,
Wonder who has it right......
 
Kes said:
Personally, I'd be reaching for the yellow every time but especially only 5 mins in.

Bog standard refereeing protocol mate - nip it in the bud early on. That way, you can be consistent and preserve your match control.

Let them get away with it first-off and your match credibility goes out of the window when, after the upteenth time you then produce the first yellow card for it.

Basics. ;):)
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Do you also dress up with a small black moustache & a swastika sewn to your ref shirt when u enter the field of play ;)
 
Kes said:
Personally, I'd be reaching for the yellow every time but especially only 5 mins in.

Bog standard refereeing protocol mate - nip it in the bud early on. That way, you can be consistent and preserve your match control.

Let them get away with it first-off and your match credibility goes out of the window when, after the upteenth time you then produce the first yellow card for it.

Basics. ;):)
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On the flip side you are then setting your stool out & the second someone infringes the pitch are screaming for another yellow, before long you could be dishing them out like sweets.

As I said before World Cup quarter final non attacking position on half way 5 mins into the game, no chance am I getting the card out.
 
Kes said:
As per the LOTG - clearly I have. :)
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But knowing the LOTG does not mean you are a top ref?
My gran could read the book, pass the exam, and know what a caution is, she would prob still be a rubbish ref
Its not knowing what a caution is, its knowing when a caution is...
 
Ciley Myrus said:
But knowing the LOTG does not mean you are a top ref?
My gran could read the book, pass the exam, and know what a caution is, she would prob still be a rubbish ref
Its not knowing what a caution is, its knowing when a caution is...
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Watcha telling me for mate? I know that. That's how I know that deliberately standing over/in front of the ball at a free kick in order to prevent it being taken quickly is a cautionable offence. If I'm not sure, the LOTG are there to guide me. ;) :cool:
 
Kes said:
Watcha telling me for mate? I know that. That's how I know that deliberately standing over/in front of the ball at a free kick in order to prevent it being taken quickly is a cautionable offence. If I'm not sure, the LOTG are there to guide me. ;):cool:
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Correct, a guide. And what you, me or anyones aunt choses to do with that guide, makes them the referee that they are. You happy to caution after five mins, great
Soms of us are happy to use other skills
 
Ciley Myrus said:
Correct, a guide. And what you, me or anyones aunt choses to do with that guide, makes them the referee that they are. You happy to caution after five mins, great
Soms of us are happy to use other skills
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Not grammar ones for sure mate ... ;) :p :D
 
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