Throw ins- how far can the player get?

[DavidObs]

The trick is to blow the whistle before the throw is taken. That way you can ask them to move to the right spot rather than turn it over and nobody expects any different.

There is a balance to be struck with use of whistle - too much then it gets a bit annoying and too little then may affect level of control etc. For throw-ins, as with most things, a stepped approach is probably be the best way to go. Specifically, if only club ARs, then whatever touchline the ball crosses, to get in early with verbal communication to the taker informing him/her where you want the throw-in taken from. However, if he/she doesn’t hear you, or chooses to ignore you, then as a last resort to use your whistle (before the throw-in is taken).

 

[Runner Ref]

There is a balance to be struck with use of whistle - too much then it gets a bit annoying and too little then may affect level of control etc. For throw-ins, as with most things, a stepped approach is probably be the best way to go. Specifically, if only club ARs, then whatever touchline the ball crosses, to get in early with verbal communication to the taker where you want the throw in taken from. However, if he/she doesn’t hear you, or chooses to ignore you, then as a last resort to use your whistle (before the throw-in is taken).

Agree. Less is more is definitely better when it comes to whistle use in these circumstances.

Nothing wrong will telling players where their mark to throw from us.

'2 your marker is the water bottle' and so on

 

[JamesL]

Agree that using the whistle too much can lose its effectiveness when needed. That said, when adopted early doors what you will find is that after 1 or 2 the thrower will naturally start looking at/for you to tell them where from and you can stop using it this retaining the effectiveness of the whistle.

 

[DavidObs]

Agree that using the whistle too much can lose its effectiveness when needed. That said, when adopted early doors what you will find is that after 1 or 2 the thrower will naturally start looking at/for you to tell them where from and you can stop using it this retaining the effectiveness of the whistle.

If only James. I watch 60 games a season from L2-L4 (as well as some lower) & that is not my experience. However, it looks like it works for you, so credit must go to you.

 

[Trip]

There is a balance to be struck with use of whistle - too much then it gets a bit annoying and too little then may affect level of control etc. For throw-ins, as with most things, a stepped approach is probably be the best way to go.

If a player is standing in the wrong spot I will first indicate the correct place with my arm, and if that doesn't work I'll shout "it's back here please", but if the player goes to actually take the throw in the wrong place I will blow before he releases the ball - the first time. So I don't have to turn it over.

After the first time it's on the player to check my indication. My experience is similar to James that they look at you to check.

 

[BCMilan]

Agree that using the whistle too much can lose its effectiveness when needed. That said, when adopted early doors what you will find is that after 1 or 2 the thrower will naturally start looking at/for you to tell them where from and you can stop using it this retaining the effectiveness of the whistle.

Or... rather than looking at/for you to tell them, they stop cheating and actually start taking them from where they're supposed to lol

 

[Russell Jones]

The trick is to blow the whistle before the throw is taken. That way you can ask them to move to the right spot rather than turn it over and nobody expects any different.

Certainly one good, viable approach. An alternative, especially at grassroots levels, if you've CLEARLY told the player not to push their luck and they choose to ignore you, is simply reversing the throw in ... certainly sends out a clear message that is likely to have the desired effect for the remainder of the game! I find this works best around the halfway line (where the reversal will not be game changing) and especially if a player takes the throw in the "wrong" half having been obviously instructed to avoid doing this

 

[BCMilan]

Certainly one good, viable approach. An alternative, especially at grassroots levels, if you've CLEARLY told the player not to push their luck and they choose to ignore you, is simply reversing the throw in ... certainly sends out a clear message that is likely to have the desired effect for the remainder of the game! I find this works best around the halfway line (where the reversal will not be game changing) and especially if a player takes the throw in the "wrong" half having been obviously instructed to avoid doing this

I like that. Again, we're getting completely let down by the professionals for allowing this to happen, and making us look really fussy, when all we're trying to doing is our job properly

 

[DavidObs]

I like that. Again, we're getting completely let down by the professionals for allowing this to happen, and making us look really fussy, when all we're trying to doing is our job properly

It’s not as simple as that - it’s all those at every level - professional football, contrib football, supply league football & grass roots football, other than those who are undertaking their role as they should be & sounds like you are (as well as James) & there will be many more, but there needs to be very many more.

 

[GraemeS]

Frustrating as it can be, we can't control the professional game, we can to some extent control the game we're refereeing. This isn't one of those weird bits of law that no one knows - everyone knows the throw in should be taken from the position the ball goes out of play. All they need is some guidance from the referee on the day with regards to how strictly they are expected to follow that principal.

 

[betterlatethannever]

Slightly on topic to do with this discussion, how do we all feel about thrown ins being taken a lot deeper than where it goes out?

Say a defending team clear the ball, and it goes out around half way but the ball keeps going back towards the opponents own goal while out of play. The defending team set up for a throw in at the half way line but a defender that has chased after the ball takes the throw in safely back to his keeper from his own 18 yard box - are we bringing them back up to retake more towards the halfway line? Or allowing it?

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Slightly on topic to do with this discussion, how do we all feel about thrown ins being taken a lot deeper than where it goes out?

Say a defending team clear the ball, and it goes out around half way but the ball keeps going back towards the opponents own goal while out of play. The defending team set up for a throw in at the half way line but a defender that has chased after the ball takes the throw in safely back to his keeper from his own 18 yard box - are we bringing them back up to retake more towards the halfway line? Or allowing it?

Whistle, tell player where to take the throw (proactive refereeing)
If they don't take notice, reverse the throw.

 

[Viridis1886]

If no one's moaning, I'm not getting involved.

 

[Samuel]

I was arsey about it once, never again was more hastle than it was worth

 

[NoFoulsAllowed]

Slightly on topic to do with this discussion, how do we all feel about thrown ins being taken a lot deeper than where it goes out?

Say a defending team clear the ball, and it goes out around half way but the ball keeps going back towards the opponents own goal while out of play. The defending team set up for a throw in at the half way line but a defender that has chased after the ball takes the throw in safely back to his keeper from his own 18 yard box - are we bringing them back up to retake more towards the halfway line? Or allowing it?

This one worries me. I am usually grateful the game has started again and always go with @Viridis1886 approach and just play on. However, I am worried an observer might have a pop for it.

So I am just trying to get my best practices down for this season for your exact example.

Where I am a jobs worth with throws is if the throw goes out near the corner flag to the defending side and there is pressure. I will make sure they can't steal too many yards.

 

[RefereeX]

Slightly on topic to do with this discussion, how do we all feel about thrown ins being taken a lot deeper than where it goes out?

Say a defending team clear the ball, and it goes out around half way but the ball keeps going back towards the opponents own goal while out of play. The defending team set up for a throw in at the half way line but a defender that has chased after the ball takes the throw in safely back to his keeper from his own 18 yard box - are we bringing them back up to retake more towards the halfway line? Or allowing it?

Tough one. If there's no clear benefit to the team taking the throw in by taking it a long way back from where it should be then you don't want to be that 'busy ref' that stops play to tell them that they need to move it up field, it won't make you any friends and you're best off choosing your battles.

But...

It IS wrong in law. And if a team take a quick throw in to their goalkeeper and you think it's harmless but the keeper hoofs it up field and they score, I guarantee you you'll be quizzed on why they were allowed to take it so far back, and you'll not really have any defence.

I had a scenario earlier this season where a team were 1-0 up in the 93rd minute. They conceded a throw in about 5 yards outside their own penalty area, but as they did so they tried to clear it up field so the ball ended up back in the oppositions defensive half. I saw my ARs flag go up immediately as the player made contact with the ball so I knew the throw was down near the penalty area.
The team trailing 1-0 grabbed it quickly and went to take the throw in inside their own half. I gave a strong whistle and said no, the throw in is up here, and made them bring it forwards. In my mind, I just thought if they hoof it up after taking it in the wrong place and score, I don't want to be answering them questions.
Of course, they then took the throw in from the correct place and they took a long throw in which they scored from. . You can imagine how well that went down with the opposition.
So... the moral of the story is... you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, but maybe it's better to be damned with law to back you up, than damned without law backing you up.

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Tough one. If there's no clear benefit to the team taking the throw in by taking it a long way back from where it should be then you don't want to be that 'busy ref' that stops play to tell them that they need to move it up field, it won't make you any friends and you're best off choosing your battles.

But...

It IS wrong in law. And if a team take a quick throw in to their goalkeeper and you think it's harmless but the keeper hoofs it up field and they score, I guarantee you you'll be quizzed on why they were allowed to take it so far back, and you'll not really have any defence.

I had a scenario earlier this season where a team were 1-0 up in the 93rd minute. They conceded a throw in about 5 yards outside their own penalty area, but as they did so they tried to clear it up field so the ball ended up back in the oppositions defensive half. I saw my ARs flag go up immediately as the player made contact with the ball so I knew the throw was down near the penalty area.
The team trailing 1-0 grabbed it quickly and went to take the throw in inside their own half. I gave a strong whistle and said no, the throw in is up here, and made them bring it forwards. In my mind, I just thought if they hoof it up after taking it in the wrong place and score, I don't want to be answering them questions.
Of course, they then took the throw in from the correct place and they took a long throw in which they scored from. . You can imagine how well that went down with the opposition.
So... the moral of the story is... you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, but maybe it's better to be damned with law to back you up, than damned without law backing you up.

I don't see it as being a "busy ref" when you are asking a player to take the throw from the halfway line, not level with their penalty area (some 30 metres away)
An early whistle and a call to the referee is good proactive refereeing, IMHO.
Choosing which laws you intend to ignore will come back to bite you!

 

[Runner Ref]

This is another scenario that is made a lot more difficult to take action against due to the higher echelons. You see this week in and week out on PL & FL, and they very rarely take action.

 

[BCMilan]

If no one's moaning, I'm not getting involved.

You can't base decisions on how much teams are moaning. Once teams recognise this, they'll be moaning about everything

 

[BCMilan]

Tough one. If there's no clear benefit to the team taking the throw in by taking it a long way back from where it should be then you don't want to be that 'busy ref' that stops play to tell them that they need to move it up field, it won't make you any friends and you're best off choosing your battles.

I think there is a clear benefit to the player though, that's why they've decided to take it from there. They're throwing it straight to their keeper who has very little opposition, as opposed to the halfway line where players are marked up