The Ref Stop

Wolves vs Arsenal

Decision?

  • Red

    Votes: 30 38.5%

  • Yellow

    Votes: 48 61.5%
  • Total voters
    78

Donate to RefChat

Help keep RefChat running, any donation would be appreciated

Status
Not open for further replies.
Paul_10 said:
That's because it did'nt involve a big 6 club. There's a handball incident in the Spurs v Newcastle game which was shown but if that incident happened in Brighton v Brentford, I doubt it would of got featured because let's face it, it wasn't that controversial. Likewise if Joao Pedro played for Spurs and he did that, I be shocked if it didn't get shown on Mic'd up.
Click to expand...
This is spot on

The media are only interested in the top 6 (and the downfall of Man United).

Throwback to 2020 when Sheffield United weren't awarded a goal because goal line technology failed, it was in the news for less than a week and Sheffield United were fobbed off with an apology... before they were relegated. There was minimal media interest in the story because it didn't impact the big 6.

However, the Pickford challenge on VVD, the United - Liverpool offside goal and the Tottenham - Liverpool offside goal are still regularly cited when VAR is being questioned (ironically all involving Liverpool).
 
The Ref Stop
Bizzare section on the Sky Sports website where it says Arsenal will have to appeal the red card, I thought it would be an opinion piece by some young journalist but nope, just Sky telling us Arsenal have to appeal to get the red card overturned something which every single fan knows anyways.

Honestly the media coverage on this is making this is the biggest injustice ever and I have no doubts because he's young and English is a factor in this.
 
Big Cat said:
VAR is refereeing incorrect KMD's all over the place
Click to expand...
That’s not what said, but in any event, very many of what they review is subjective and I don’t think it could be argued that VAR is refereeing incorrect KMD’s all over the place with the remit/criteria they have. I would accept any argument if proof can be pointed out.
 
Wonder if we’ll see a rugby bunker-esque system eventually. One of these challenges becomes effectively an Orange Card. Treated as a YC on field and the VAR team get X minutes to review it up to a red or not, while play continues.

Sounds completely mad, but… yknow… FIFA ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Hypothetical. Let's say managers had one appeal during each game which would force the referee to go to the monitor and review his own decision. If this red card was appealed by Arteta during the game and MO reviewed his own decision on screen, do we think he would have changed his mind?
 
one said:
Hypothetical. Let's say managers had one appeal during each game which would force the referee to go to the monitor and review his own decision. If this red card was appealed by Arteta during the game and MO reviewed his own decision on screen, do we think he would have changed his mind?
Click to expand...
He may have done, but having watched many games he has been involved in, his strong character & the confidence he has in his ability, I don’t think he would.
 
  • Like
Reactions: one
DavidObs said:
He may have done, but having watched many games he has been involved in, his strong character & the confidence he has in his ability, I don’t think he would.
Click to expand...
Surely they all have strong characters and confidence in their ability? Which ones would you say dont?

If you can name just one, I’d suggest they probably shouldn’t be at the level they’re at.
 
DavidObs said:
That’s not what said, but in any event, very many of what they review is subjective and I don’t think it could be argued that VAR is refereeing incorrect KMD’s all over the place with the remit/criteria they have. I would accept any argument if proof can be pointed out.
Click to expand...
My anecdotal evidence is incontrovertible!
Probably because of VAR (Big Brother on had to help out etc), there's more C&O errors now than there's ever been IMO
Anyway, not wishing to derail down that rabbit hole. I no doubt misinterpreted the context of your post
 
one said:
Hypothetical. Let's say managers had one appeal during each game which would force the referee to go the monitor and review his own decision. If this red card was appealed by Arteta during the game and MO reviewed his own decision on screen, do we think he would have changed his mind?
Click to expand...

Runner Ref said:
Surely they all have strong characters and confidence in their ability? Which ones would you say dont?

If you can name just one, I’d suggest they probably shouldn’t be at the level they’re at.
Click to expand...
All Referees are human and all have different traits & strengths (& perhaps some weaknesses) - some more so than others. Some come across as having more empathy during a game than others & some come across as perhaps arrogant (though may not actually be the case). Some of this may be from their experience on the PL, as well as perhaps being on the FIFA list etc. In my opinion, Messrs Taylor & Oliver come across as less empathetic than say Sam Barrott. I agree that on the current list as of today, all will all have confidence in their own ability, though there will be some that because of one thing or another, may become to doubt their ability etc & lose confidence eg Lee Mason.
 
DavidObs said:
All Referees are human and all have different traits & strengths (& perhaps some weaknesses) - some more so than others. Some come across as having more empathy during a game than others & some come across as perhaps arrogant (though may not actually be the case). Some of this may be from their experience on the PL, as well as perhaps being on the FIFA list etc. In my opinion, Messrs Taylor & Oliver come across as less empathetic than say Sam Barrott. I agree that on the current list as of today, all will all have confidence in their own ability, though there will be some that because of one thing or another, may become to doubt their ability etc & lose confidence eg Lee Mason.
Click to expand...
So if we have referees who have low confidence, they may not get involved when it comes to VAR. If that is the case, PGMOL have an even bigger problem on their hands.
 
mctones said:
All these things can be true:

- MO understandable red card as he deems it serious foul play from his angle
- VAR did not see enough to overturn with the protocols they have to work to
- FA correctly overturns it under closer inspection
Click to expand...
I’ll agree with you on a lot of that. But this would also prove VAR is not working as intended. VAR not being able to get involved due to process/protocol shows that they are still a long way from getting it right.

This isn’t just aimed at PGMOL. Scotland seem to be just as bad.
 
Regardless of whether you think it was a red or not... It's all become a bit of a shambles hasn't it?

I’ve lost track of how many red cards have been overturned this season. Cards that were given on the field, reviewed by VAR, and deemed not a "clear and obvious error," only for an "independent regulatory commission" to step in and reverse the decision.

I’m struggling to believe that the commission can be truly independent when the media has already had 3 days to blast the officials across every outlet, pushing the narrative that the calls were clearly wrong. In the same way that a judge tells a jury to avoid the media during a trial, the only way these decisions could be made without bias is if the commission is kept entirely in the dark about public opinion, a near impossible task I appreciate.

One of the major criticisms fans had with VAR in the first place was that it was taking the decision-making power away from the on-field referee and "re-refereeing" the game. But no one seems to be raising any concern that the final call is now being handed off to faceless individuals, sitting in a conference room miles away from the action and sipping tea... I can only assume this sis because the panel are making the decision "football expects" and not necessarily one that is correct in law.
 
The Ginger Ref said:
Regardless of whether you think it was a red or not... It's all become a bit of a shambles hasn't it?

I’ve lost track of how many red cards have been overturned this season. Cards that were given on the field, reviewed by VAR, and deemed not a "clear and obvious error," only for an "independent regulatory commission" to step in and reverse the decision.

I’m struggling to believe that the commission can be truly independent when the media has already had 3 days to blast the officials across every outlet, pushing the narrative that the calls were clearly wrong. In the same way that a judge tells a jury to avoid the media during a trial, the only way these decisions could be made without bias is if the commission is kept entirely in the dark about public opinion, a near impossible task I appreciate.

One of the major criticisms fans had with VAR in the first place was that it was taking the decision-making power away from the on-field referee and "re-refereeing" the game. But no one seems to be raising any concern that the final call is now being handed off to faceless individuals, sitting in a conference room miles away from the action and sipping tea... I can only assume this sis because the panel are making the decision "football expects" and not necessarily one that is correct in law.
Click to expand...
I thought introduction of VAR would be a good thing, on hindsight it has caused more issues than it solves, I would rather we went back to to ref only and you accept we are human and we make the best intended decision on the one time view we get.

I don't have an issue with a panel overturning decisions where suspension is involved, rescinding or adding. They are not criticising the ref, they are just saying with further evidence we can see why you made the decision you did, but on balance need to adjust the impact on the player for future games.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top