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Wolves vs Arsenal

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  • Red

    Votes: 30 38.5%
  • Yellow

    Votes: 48 61.5%

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I saw a video in which they said MO had told VAR he saw the Arsenal player catch the wolves player on his shin and ankle (or world to that affect). That does happen, so I guess it rules out any VAR intervention. Especially if you watch the Scotland VAR review that was posted.
 
I've long held the view, and have stated it many times on here, that taking out an opponent when the ball is in a different postcode should be a red card. Football is about kicking the ball, not opponents, and I don't think players should get away with just taking out opponents when the ball is not even vaguely within playing distance.

That said, I'm struggling more with this one as it was such a minor trip, but I do come back to there was absolutely zero attempt to kick the ball.
 
I've long held the view, and have stated it many times on here, that taking out an opponent when the ball is in a different postcode should be a red card. Football is about kicking the ball, not opponents, and I don't think players should get away with just taking out opponents when the ball is not even vaguely within playing distance.

That said, I'm struggling more with this one as it was such a minor trip, but I do come back to there was absolutely zero attempt to kick the ball.
I agree with you in theory that we should be able to issue a red for someone who makes no attempt for the ball, but that isn’t the rule.

I can’t see how this is seen as serious foul play red card offence. For me this is crazy red card.
 
I agree with you in theory that we should be able to issue a red for someone who makes no attempt for the ball, but that isn’t the rule.

I can’t see how this is seen as serious foul play red card offence. For me this is crazy red card.
The argument that any force is excessive force, as the football isn't anywhere near the challenge. Should someone just be allowed to kick someone when the ball is nowhere near, just so that they can stop an attack? I personally don't think so, so I don't really have an issue with decisions like this.
 
The argument that any force is excessive force, as the football isn't anywhere near the challenge. Should someone just be allowed to kick someone when the ball is nowhere near, just so that they can stop an attack? I personally don't think so, so I don't really have an issue with decisions like this.
You’ve just got rid of a yellow card! Just go straight to red all the time.

You are adding another level of subjectivity and that’s not something I can endorse.

The decision here was shocking as once again it’s not what the rules state or what football expects. I will be shocked if this red card isn’t overturned.
It was a trip which is a yellow card.

We need consistency from referees.
 
I will add that it took 3 further offences for the wolves player to get a second yellow including kicking the ball away (which the same ref sent an Arsenal player off for earlier this season)
Also similar tackle to the one he got sent off for went without sanction earlier.

No wonder fans get upset.
 
You’ve just got rid of a yellow card! Just go straight to red all the time.

You are adding another level of subjectivity and that’s not something I can endorse.

The decision here was shocking as once again it’s not what the rules state or what football expects. I will be shocked if this red card isn’t overturned.
It was a trip which is a yellow card.

We need consistency from referees.
This may be nitpicky, but…..

There are no rules, there are laws.

‘What football expects’ isn’t a thing. And I’ll long argue that.

A trip is not necessarily a cautionable offence.

Consistency is nigh on impossible as very few incidents are the same. Add to that people wanting common sense…..

FWIW, I do think it’s a caution. But based on when VAR can get involved, this is entirely down to what the referee tells him. Although I do agree with Rusty. I’d personally like offences like this to be red. But right now, they aren’t.
 
You’ve just got rid of a yellow card! Just go straight to red all the time.

You are adding another level of subjectivity and that’s not something I can endorse.

The decision here was shocking as once again it’s not what the rules state or what football expects. I will be shocked if this red card isn’t overturned.
It was a trip which is a yellow card.

We need consistency from referees.
Arsenal fan by any chance? 😂

I realise I am probably an outlier on this one, I just don't like the principle that you can kick someone when the ball is nowhere near just to take them out of the game. Let's see what Howard says in the mic'd up show.
 
I've long held the view, and have stated it many times on here, that taking out an opponent when the ball is in a different postcode should be a red card. Football is about kicking the ball, not opponents, and I don't think players should get away with just taking out opponents when the ball is not even vaguely within playing distance.

That said, I'm struggling more with this one as it was such a minor trip, but I do come back to there was absolutely zero attempt to kick the ball.
I'd agree with you if he'd taken him out playing the ball. I know that's not what you're saying here...it's barely more than a trip for me
 
I'd agree with you if he'd taken him out playing the ball. I know that's not what you're saying here...it's barely more than a trip for me
Caveat that I haven't seen a full replay yet, only the YouTube clips that keep getting taken down. My point is there was zero, absolutely zero, attempt to play the ball, which makes it a deliberately attempt to kick an opponent off the ball.
 
Caveat that I haven't seen a full replay yet, only the YouTube clips that keep getting taken down. My point is there was zero, absolutely zero, attempt to play the ball, which makes it a deliberately attempt to kick an opponent off the ball.
I disagree, I think he's caught out blindside...

But I've also only seen clips on twitter and I'm several beers down after a rare city good performance
 
Arsenal fan by any chance? 😂

I realise I am probably an outlier on this one, I just don't like the principle that you can kick someone when the ball is nowhere near just to take them out of the game. Let's see what Howard says in the mic'd up show.
I’m not arguing the merit of the laws of the game.

That’s given as red card when it never is. Will be interesting to see what Howard says and I’m sure this will be appealed.

FYI. Same match and this isn’t a red card.
 

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Caveat that I haven't seen a full replay yet, only the YouTube clips that keep getting taken down. My point is there was zero, absolutely zero, attempt to play the ball, which makes it a deliberately attempt to kick an opponent off the ball.
Even if you say it’s a deliberate play, it’s a deliberate trip not a kick at an opponent. If he had kicked him deliberately I would 100% support a red card.

You are being slightly misleading here by saying that all deliberate contact with a player is serious foul play. That’s a slippery slope of countless red cards every match with a ref having to decide intent all the time. That would be tricky!
 
I’m not arguing the merit of the laws of the game.

That’s given as red card when it never is. Will be interesting to see what Howard says and I’m sure this will be appealed.

FYI. Same match and this isn’t a red card.
A still is very rarely, if ever going to help an arguement! But I’m intrigued by what this incident was. What happened? I’ve not seen anything online or in the media.
 
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Even if you say it’s a deliberate play, it’s a deliberate trip not a kick at an opponent. If he had kicked him deliberately I would 100% support a red card.

You are being slightly misleading here by saying that all deliberate contact with a player is serious foul play. That’s a slippery slope of countless red cards every match with a ref having to decide intent all the time. That would be tricky!
There's very little difference between a kick and a trip. The ball was miles away, so why would he possibly have kicked / tripped him if his only intention wasn't to take him out?
 
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