Promotion dates L4 and above

[Kent Ref]

When you say 'went for promotion', what level do you mean?

If it's 7-6 or 6-5 then it's purely down to the county FA.
If it's 4-3 or above then everyone is 'going for promotion' in theory, but wouldn't be normal to email everyone not promoted, just those that are.
Which makes me think you're possibly referring to 5-4 promotion, which is managed by the FA, however I believe (and I may be wrong) that the county FA nominate the individual to the FA, who then decide whether or not to take that individual. If that's the case, then it's a case of where did he fail? If he wasn't nominated, that's for his county to tell him. If he wasn't selected by the FA, then I'm not sure whose responsibility it would be, but I've a feeling the county may be more responsible than the FA?

I think you may be right it was 5-4 he was going for.

He eventually emailed 2 weeks (after successful people told him they got "the email") later and was told he was unsuccessful.

 

[Quarryref]

Not sure abou the rest of you but I think the FA's approach to the retentions this year was strange - took ages to send the merit table - but no retention email - just a MOAS invite to the fitness test.

In an ideal world there would be a timetable, so we all know what to expect and when. That would be better than relying on the grapevine to work out what has and hasn't gone out. Where this would help most I think would be :
- automatic promotion email date
- assessment day invitation email date
- reclassification email date
- (retention email date, although unnecessary if there is a clear reclassification date)

Having said that I get there are lots of moving parts, so it could be a bit of a hostage to fortune.

 

[Samuel]

a timetable, so we all know what to expect and when.

Would be great but from what I was told, FA CORE was going to make it's decision on retentions by the end of May. We were told that we would get an email no matter the result and still waiting on mine. So clearly the FA doesn't like a timeline.

Please someone tell me I misheard and it was end of June.

 

[RefereeX]

Would be great but from what I was told, FA CORE was going to make it's decision on retentions by the end of May. We were told that we would get an email no matter the result and still waiting on mine. So clearly the FA doesn't like a timeline.

Please someone tell me I misheard and it was end of June.

In my area we've been advised of CORE retention (with the exception of the 1 referee who was invited for assessment day for level 2 who said he hadn't been told, but then that's probably because he'd be hoping not to be retained because he's been promoted, which he has been)

Not sure if those who were invited to try out as newbies have been informed or not. But what I do know is that those who have not been retained have been informed in our area also.

 

[DavidObs]

I think you may be right it was 5-4 he was going for.

He eventually emailed 2 weeks (after successful people told him they got "the email") later and was told he was unsuccessful.

I am aware from a L5-L4 candidate that his County FA had informed him that he had been nominated (by his county FA) & then informed by the (National) FA a few weeks later that he was successful. It would only be fair & reasonable for either the National or County FA to inform a Referee if they are unsuccessful, rather than leaving in limbo on the basis that no reply means unsuccessful - how does the Referee know for sure that email wasn’t lost/gone to junk etc etc. Having said that successful candidates from L5-4 were in the published lists on 30th May.

 

[DavidObs]

Would be great but from what I was told, FA CORE was going to make it's decision on retentions by the end of May. We were told that we would get an email no matter the result and still waiting on mine. So clearly the FA doesn't like a timeline.

Please someone tell me I misheard and it was end of June.

All promotion lists from 5-4 upwards to 2-1 published on the 30th May.

 

[RefereeX]

All promotion lists from 5-4 upwards to 2-1 published on the 30th May.

He means for retention on FA CORE, not promotion. No list will be published for this.

 

[Russell Jones]

I am aware from a L5-L4 candidate that his County FA had informed him that he had been nominated (by his county FA) & then informed by the (National) FA a few weeks later that he was successful. It would only be fair & reasonable for either the National or County FA to inform a Referee if they are unsuccessful, rather than leaving in limbo on the basis that no reply means unsuccessful - how does the Referee know for sure that email wasn’t lost/gone to junk etc etc. Having said that successful candidates from L5-4 were in the published lists on 30th May.

At 5-4, the criteria for nomination are Crystal clear. Outside of exceptional circumstances, those who meet all the criteria can expect to be nominated by their County FA and those who don’t meet the criteria should be unsurprised at their lack of nomination. Once nominated, candidates are indeed notified of their outcome (either way) by the FA.

At 7-5, now that there are four progression opportunities per season, it makes sense to only notify those progressing, rather than repeatedly mailing large numbers to confirm any lack of progression.

 

[Gabriel]

At 7-5, now that there are four progression opportunities per season, it makes sense to only notify those progressing, rather than repeatedly mailing large numbers to confirm any lack of progression.

This is something I find quite interesting actually. I would agree that this is the most sensible way to go about things at 7-5. However, my CFA did send me emails at the end of 3 out of the 4 quarters this season, giving updates on how much of the criteria I had already met (how many games needed, MDC reports etc). Seems like a lot of unnecessary effort when I can just log into RefSec and pull the data from there myself. (For context - I wasn't close and I knew it!).

 

[JA1989]

I think you may be right it was 5-4 he was going for.

He eventually emailed 2 weeks (after successful people told him they got "the email") later and was told he was unsuccessful.

Guessing that's unsuccessful in being nominated by his CFA?

22nd May the FA informed nominated candidates if they were successful (or not) at that stage. I was lucky to be successful, a friend was unfortunately not. Seemed to be very competitive in our pool for this intake

 

[RustyRef]

When you say 'went for promotion', what level do you mean?

If it's 7-6 or 6-5 then it's purely down to the county FA.
If it's 4-3 or above then everyone is 'going for promotion' in theory, but wouldn't be normal to email everyone not promoted, just those that are.
Which makes me think you're possibly referring to 5-4 promotion, which is managed by the FA, however I believe (and I may be wrong) that the county FA nominate the individual to the FA, who then decide whether or not to take that individual. If that's the case, then it's a case of where did he fail? If he wasn't nominated, that's for his county to tell him. If he wasn't selected by the FA, then I'm not sure whose responsibility it would be, but I've a feeling the county may be more responsible than the FA?

If 5-4 then if you don’t average 71 on the observations, or didn’t meet the other criteria, you shouldn’t need to be told that you haven’t been promoted as you didn’t meet the minimum criteria. Moaning about that would be like complaining that you weren’t told you hadn’t won the lottery even though you knew your numbers didn’t come up.

If you did but still weren’t promoted I guess it comes down to each county FA, assuming the FA tell them before they publish the promoted list.

 

[JamesL]

If 5-4 then if you don’t average 71 on the observations, or didn’t meet the other criteria, you shouldn’t need to be told that you haven’t been promoted as you didn’t meet the minimum criteria. Moaning about that would be like complaining that you weren’t told you hadn’t won the lottery even though you knew your numbers didn’t come up.

If you did but still weren’t promoted I guess it comes down to each county FA, assuming the FA tell them before they publish the promoted list.

When I didn't get my 5-4 1st time, admittedly coming up for 10 years ago now (), the email was from national FA.
In that case I had met the criteria but concerns over availability meant I ranked below other candidates and wasn't taken.

 

[RustyRef]

When I didn't get my 5-4 1st time, admittedly coming up for 10 years ago now (), the email was from national FA.
In that case I had met the criteria but concerns over availability meant I ranked below other candidates and wasn't taken.

That does make sense, as once the CFA nominate you it is out of their hands and entirely down to the FA.