spuddy1878
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Would the Kompany booking have gone to VAR?
Was it a clear and obvious error that would have been picked up on ?
Was it a clear and obvious error that would have been picked up on ?
Pep Vs Jurgen, Anthony Taylor, VK Vs VVD
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santa sangria
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In the MLS I reckon yes. But we don’t know how the prem will deliver VAR yet. My suspicion is it will be less influental in matters if opinion - i.e. less decisions will be changed than we have seen (compared to e.g. WC)... but that’s just a feeling
All we ask for is consistency!!!! Said no Liverpool fan!!
Not sure it would be classed as a totally clear and obvious error, but I bet you, managers will be screaming for VAR for every decision like this to be reviewed !!!
santa sangria
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They are both red cards when you see the replays. There are worse stills as well.
It’s more a question of what did the officials see and why were red cards not given. With VVD I think they didn’t see it properly at all. With VK I also think they didn’t see it clearly, the trailing leg contact wasn’t obvious, the weight of contact wasn’t obvious.
It’s understandable why refs hedge with YCs - and I don’t buy bottling it - perhaps some indirect influence from bean counters that means more game mgmt less law application - but mainly because they are not sure.
Until VAR that’s footy. Mane could’ve saved a lot of trouble by scoring not hitting the post, Stoned could’ve also played a better pass admittedly... but the ref’s decisions in this game were insignificant compared to Dejan’s slow reaction for the first, and dismal closing down for the second. As a Pool fan, hands up, they targeted our weak r-side CB, he made at least 4 cataclysmic mistakes, 2 for goals. Stones made 2 gargantuan errors but rescued one with the play of the match and neither lead to goal or RC.
Oh Klopp asked for DOGSO-RC for the VK foul on Salah... anyone?
Any truth that City have put a million bid in for this GLT fella?? He saved them 2 points the other night!!!
Nah. See Van Dijk on Martens (see above).
As to whether it should have been a RC for Kompany, after the decisions Liverpool got against us last season, frankly my dear I don't give a damn. Lovren on Aguero before it was a bit nasty (and always aiming to take out the man) but the standard for not giving RCs was set in a dozen games against City early last season.
Mind you, I'd have no confidence in a VAR panel, reviewing an incident in a few seconds when an official FA panel had plenty of time to decide Delap's RC should be rescinded. (50 secs in:
Seriously?
CapnBloodbeard
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I reckon it would qualify as a clear and obvious error.
Problem we're having in Australia is they don't have the foggiest idea what 'clear and obvious' is. We had a shocking penalty not overturned yesterday because VAR was interfering so much they were getting it wrong all the time, now VAR does so little they're getting it wrong all the time.
deusex
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I know what you're saying but going back a few for that vid
A much better example would be the farce in the world cup final (still makes me sick)
I hear Dermot Gallagher was commenting in Oz and said yellow.
Absolutely. A few here all worse than Kompany's and all targeting the man not the ball.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...news/man-city-bad-tackles-fouled-14216141.amp
It was the Cardiff match and serious injury to Sane that had City writing officially to Mike Riley to complain (then having Mr Taylor give a red to Delph in the cup v Wigan - you know the one where he was going with yellow till someone told him to make it red).
It did get better after that until this one in the derby.
Not even given as a foul and that was why, according to Keith Hackett, no English refs went to the world cup.
Until Southampton targeted Fernandinho last week, it's been better this season apart from the routine late challenges on David Silva and despite MOTD pundits encouraging opposition players to "leave something on" City players.
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Once again, showing that a) Hackett is clueless in this respect and b) that you should listen to people that actually have a clue in this respect.
(a) Are you implying that wasn't a red card offence?
(b) Don't get distracted onto why no English referees went to the world cup, we've heard all the theories, but if you want a more authoritative voice than Mr Hackett, try Mr Collina.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/43042092
Ciley Myrus
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Interesting comments from Mark Clattenburg, not so much about the tackle, but, passing comment that had he heard Kompany call Salah "a p@@@@", then he would have taken no action, "not in the heat of battle and in such a high stake game"
I dont quite understand if that means in a different game he would take action?
And more to the point, it crosses over into whats acceptable, or not, to be called in the game, in the heat of the moment, it might easy have been any number of other words with the same meaning as *****.....which am taking a guess would also have resulted in no action...which although understandable, is, dissappointing
I dont quite understand if that means in a different game he would take action?
And more to the point, it crosses over into whats acceptable, or not, to be called in the game, in the heat of the moment, it might easy have been any number of other words with the same meaning as *****.....which am taking a guess would also have resulted in no action...which although understandable, is, dissappointing
That really disappoints me. Why does it matter what the stakes are in a game ? Surely, we should referee within the LOTG and be consistent from one game to the next ?
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Then we wonder why we get ostracised for showing a red at public park.....
Its a great example of the recent dissent thread. If things were dealt with at the top, the message filters down to the bottom..
Exactly ! I have been coaching a youth team over the last few years, aswell. Who do you think they look up to and copy ? Yep...you guessed it. The Premier League players. I've seen first hand how they try to emulate the back chat to the ref and decide to fall over at the slightest touch in the penalty area. Fortunately, their coach is qualified ref, and will not tolerate it !
Yes, that should have been a red card. But your quoting of Hackett's nonsense post is equally nonsense. Let me ask it this way, who could have gone to the World Cup? We had three Elite level FIFA referees when the decision was made. Atkinson and Marriner were too old to be nominated as they would have lost the FIFA badge before the tournament, and Clattenburg quit. Only Elite referees can go as referees, so there is just no way that Ashley Young not being sent off had anything to do with there being no English referees at the World Cup. We were never going to have anyone there as a VAR as we don't use it yet so our referees are much less inexperienced than those from the likes of Italy in that respect.
As an aside, I watched a couple of Man City games in the official Man City Costa Brava Supporters Club pub over Christmas. The level of paranoia really was astonishing, with people constantly saying during the Palace and Leicester games that the referees have been told to give decisions against City as the FA want Liverpool to win the league. Clearly it was nothing to do with the fact that they can't defend to save their lives if they don't have Fernandinho in the team ...
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