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I was in the ground and at first viewing from right behind the goal I went yellow, as it didn't look like it could be SFP or VC, but on second viewing not so sure. I would love to know what the wider group thinks.
 
I can't quite see what would make this a red card. Argument that he technically collides with 'excessive force' but I don't think this is what is intended by 'excessive force' and for me it's a perfect example of a reckless action. He's never likely to cause serious injury to his opponent. Nasty one, but yellow all day for me.
 
One thing that actually annoyed me more than this foul in the game is how often the Brighton players went down quite easily and got the defensive foul. I know we often look to give the easy defensive fouls but this felt excessive.
 
Samuel said:
One thing that actually annoyed me more than this foul in the game is how often the Brighton players went down quite easily and got the defensive foul. I know we often look to give the easy defensive fouls but this felt excessive.
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a scurge of modern football that we constantly enable. refs need to have the balls to not give these
 
For me, it’s a red card. Though, once given as Yellow on field, not clear enough for a VAR intervention. The attacker is clearly not getting to the ball and in his attempt to block the clearance, needlessly chooses to go airborne which leads to a hefty upper body collision, rocking back the head of the GK. Therefore a combination of excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent.
 
Russell Jones said:
needlessly chooses to go airborne which leads to a hefty upper body collision
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My thoughts are, that we see this all the time when the goalkeeper is being chased down, only unfortunate part is that he has recklessly made contact with the goalkeeper. I do find it hard to say he's committed an act of Excessive force as a lot of it is momentum based, doesn't help that Walton goes down like a rag doll though. I'm sure the rest of Town fans won't agree with me 😅
 
No, we don't LOL
I actually didn't see it in the ground (eyes following the ball) but after looking at the TV replays, for me, I'd like a red there. He just aims for Wlaton and launches himself in the air at him, despite the ball being played on the ground some seconds earlier. What was wierd was the ref took ages to even dish the yellow, almost as if VAR were talking him through it....
As for all the other shenanigins, yes, stronger refereing required. Especially the one where a prone BHA player jumps to life to try and block ball going for corner, misses it and then dies again!
 
For me a red, had plenty of time to avoid this collision, wasn't getting to the ball. Excessive force & endangered safety of opponent.
 
This is a red, he even leans in with his shoulder to ensure impact. Considerations are the distance of the ball: it is nowhere. The ability to avoid the goalkeeper: he had plenty of time to move or even turn around to back in. The actual lack of interest in the opponent's well-being immediately after impact, if it were accidental you'd be expecting him to show some concern. You have seen RCs dished out for a lot less. It is VC - simple.
 
If you gave me a choice between the incident in question being red and the below one, I’d pick the Brighton one all day……

 
Runner Ref said:
If you gave me a choice between the incident in question being red and the below one, I’d pick the Brighton one all day……
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Both are needless. Worse is that kids see this from so-called professional footballers. Time for any head to heads to be red now.
 
Homer Ref said:
Both are needless. Worse is that kids see this from so-called professional footballers. Time for any head to heads to be red now.
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From what I remember, they wanted to stop red cards for minimal contact like that as it doesn’t really fit VC criteria. But I can’t find the wording for this.

Either way, I’d rather Pedro sent off than Schar
 
Runner Ref said:
From what I remember, they wanted to stop red cards for minimal contact like that as it doesn’t really fit VC criteria. But I can’t find the wording for this.

Either way, I’d rather Pedro sent off than Schar
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In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
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You're welcome 😁
 
JamesL said:
You're welcome 😁
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I knew you’d say that, which is why I mentioned the Raul Jimenez incident.

Obviously Schar was VC and Pedro was SFP (had he been sent off). But it makes no sense that Schar is seen a VC when Pedro ain’t seen at SFP.

My point (granted i didn’t explain it too well!), if you showed both clips to someone who has never watched football and asked ‘which one was sent off’; I can guarantee they wouldn’t say Schar
 
Runner Ref said:
I knew you’d say that, which is why I mentioned the Raul Jimenez incident.

Obviously Schar was VC and Pedro was SFP (had he been sent off). But it makes no sense that Schar is seen a VC when Pedro ain’t seen at SFP.

My point (granted i didn’t explain it too well!), if you showed both clips to someone who has never watched football and asked ‘which one was sent off’; I can guarantee they wouldn’t say Schar
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Sorry I thought you couldn't find the wording for VC negligible contact.
 
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