I don't think he will necessarily work with "his" VAR team or any referee will. The best performing ref team with best performing VAR team would make most sense
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Yes, but this is UEFA that we are talking about. Sense is a word they can't translate into their own language....
I understand why you or anyone else supports a red for that tackle, I've been on both ends many times. But a red is inconsistent with how this type of foul has been sanctioned previously and without specific new guidance I'm surprised that a red was awarded and I think the players were too. We will see more of these as the tournament progresses and I'll be amazed if we see anymore reds.
I would support new guidance on giving reds for these type of challenges, they are cynical and if you're not already on a yellow they're a free opportunity to take your frustrations out on a player at the end of a game you're losing
Fair enough, I can see why you would support the decision in this case. I just think we’d struggle to justify giving a red in those circumstances as football doesn’t really expect it from a ‘tackle’ like that, and the law *mostly* backs up a caution. Maybe some more clarification will be given soon from FIFA.
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It should be red, but many precedents have always been yellow. Clarification for this type of incident is needed and they should be telling us to dismiss
I think its inevitable that clarification for this type of tackle being a red will come in the not top distant future. But its not here now and therefore its a yellow imo
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Stuart Atwell leading that team
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I think language will come into it. Yes, most/all of the top European referees speak very good English. but there are nuances to every language, and especially when discussing technical aspects of the LOTG where the correct word/definition/ad adjective is so important I think the refereeing teams and VAR need to be from the same country.
Fifa refs have to speak English fluently so there really shouldn't be an issue.. Often the 4th official is from a different nation. Had happened a lot in this tournament
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That lies much more with the directives of the governing bodies to want to end matches 11 v 11 at all costs, not with this particular call.
Couldn’t agree more.
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Don't hold your breath. You would never get an official statement saying that something is yellow in the first 10 minutes but red in the last 5 minutes. This decision had a lot more to do with the 'context' than the 'contact'.
If you like, call it an orange and asking for clarification why an orange tackle should go one way or other. It wont come.
Good point but it’s possible that a non-native speaker could understand those nuances if they are used to the language.
Whilst I respect the view of anyone that thinks it is a caution, there can't possibly be anyone that thinks it was a tackle for the ball. The ball was long gone and Wilson wasn't even looking at it, he only had eyes for the opposing player. From the referee's position he can see how far away the ball was, all he has seen is a player deliberately kick an opponent.
That's how i saw it.
I agree. It's just that all precedents have been Yellow. As far as the EPL is concerned anyway. I think these should be red. This type of misconduct is more likely to cause us big problems at grass roots than in these televised games. As things are however, most people expected a caution
Now you have seen it in replay do you still say YOU expect a caution here? For me it strays into VC for kicking (striking) and opponent.
Actually, just looked at it again on yotube (without any beer goggles on) and the challenge was worse than I recalled. I can see both arguments now
Note to self... 'don't Referee after 2 or 3 pints'
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4th official doesn't often have to make, or at least advise,
on, game deciding incidents!
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