Is there any point having AR's in the Premier League ?
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By their standards, it was certainly a long way offside.
Whether ARs are neeeded when VAR is in operation is interesting. At this stage, they’re getting involved in the odd foul and that’s about it. Believe there was an issue in the Utd game today with a ball in/not in (not seen in)
Whether ARs are neeeded when VAR is in operation is interesting. At this stage, they’re getting involved in the odd foul and that’s about it. Believe there was an issue in the Utd game today with a ball in/not in (not seen in)
He didn't ignore it, he missed it. It was a very poor decision and he will get an incorrect KMD as a result even though VAR intervened.
Its almost as if people have forgot why VAR came about, there were loads of incorrect offside decisions before VAR, many as obvious as this one, and back then this goal would have stood.
It is, but suggesting he deliberately ignored it is even more ridiculous. Why would he even think of doing that?
So put yourself in that position. Are you really saying you would see a player significantly offside but decide not to flag it, knowing that you'd be ridiculed and given a 7.9 mark. No person of sane mind would think that way, he's just switched off and missed the offside.
On instances where the flag is delayed, ARs aren’t delaying the flag because they’re not sure, they’re delaying the flag because they’ve been told to so that VAR can intervene if they’ve got the decisions wrong. I know this is controversial guidance but ARs on the Premier League obviously need to follow guidance else they won’t be ARs on the Premier League much longer.
On instances where the flag isn’t raised, there is little (no) reason for an AR to not flag (eventually) if they think a player is in an offside position. If they get it wrong either way, the VAR will correct it (and they will be marked down).
Now if you’ll forgive me, I’lll hijack the thread a little bit with my thoughts on the rest of the game rather than have two threads for the same game. In the 72nd minute, there is a struggle between MacAllister and Onana before a Liverpool corner is played. MacAllister is pushed in the neck by Onana. Onana is cautioned. I have to be honest, I am a Liverpool fan but I still cannot get to any outcome that isn’t Violent Conduct as it was a deliberate strike with the hand to the neck when not challenging for the ball and the force used was not negligible. The referee probably did not have a clear view due to the crowded goal area but I would have expected a review, even in the Premier League.
Liverpool then try to take the corner again and Onana pushes/holds MacAllister again and is publicly warned by the referee. In reality, this is the probably the action I would have taken but the braver (and probably more correct) action is a second caution. Third time’s the charm and MacAllister holds Onana as the corner is coming in and a defensive free kick is awarded. I struggle to see any justification for MacAllister not being cautioned here. It’s a blatant hold and a caution is obviously needed for match control.
In general, I think the referee needed to take stronger action. There are a couple instances of game disrepute, including players being pushed into the advertising boards, where no cautions are issued.
On instances where the flag isn’t raised, there is little (no) reason for an AR to not flag (eventually) if they think a player is in an offside position. If they get it wrong either way, the VAR will correct it (and they will be marked down).
Now if you’ll forgive me, I’lll hijack the thread a little bit with my thoughts on the rest of the game rather than have two threads for the same game. In the 72nd minute, there is a struggle between MacAllister and Onana before a Liverpool corner is played. MacAllister is pushed in the neck by Onana. Onana is cautioned. I have to be honest, I am a Liverpool fan but I still cannot get to any outcome that isn’t Violent Conduct as it was a deliberate strike with the hand to the neck when not challenging for the ball and the force used was not negligible. The referee probably did not have a clear view due to the crowded goal area but I would have expected a review, even in the Premier League.
Liverpool then try to take the corner again and Onana pushes/holds MacAllister again and is publicly warned by the referee. In reality, this is the probably the action I would have taken but the braver (and probably more correct) action is a second caution. Third time’s the charm and MacAllister holds Onana as the corner is coming in and a defensive free kick is awarded. I struggle to see any justification for MacAllister not being cautioned here. It’s a blatant hold and a caution is obviously needed for match control.
In general, I think the referee needed to take stronger action. There are a couple instances of game disrepute, including players being pushed into the advertising boards, where no cautions are issued.
Totally agree regarding the MacAllister/Onana incident. After Onana wasn't sent off I thought it was a nailed on penalty.
That's just due to the VAR protocol, they can't flag until the attacking phase of play has ended.
Not buying into that, I just think he thought it was onside hence no flag, it can happen but it's pretty rare we see clear offsides like this not being flagged, I think our assistant referees are pretty strong in this regards especially when I see some of the decisions in the European games where it feels more of a lottery if an AR flags on a goal being scored for example, I'm sitting there and thinking I wouldn't be surprised if he was onside afterall.
I do agree the hands around the throat should be a red card, yes the Liverpool player chucked himself somewhat but that should not negate this should fall as violent conduct, why we sending out the message of aslong as you don't be too forceful you can put your hands around someone neck.
I also agree that players giving other players a nudge for no good reason and make them fly into the advertisment hoardings/the crowd should be a yellow card at the very least.
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Extremely unlikely. There has to be a call on the field. By not rising the flag, he is saying there was no OS offense. As a result, he is getting dinged on his performance. No AR wants to be overruled if he caught the OS live.
I think he has got distracted, at the exact moment of the offside, McAllister, who believes he should have got a free kick, is shouting at the AR.
This has the caused the AR to look away from the last line of defendersto look at MacAllister, unfortunate but understandable,
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx65TUqJoDwint6kwb8qsCvRdWAY52769Y?si=qacu2kRk0YjMgkm5
This has the caused the AR to look away from the last line of defendersto look at MacAllister, unfortunate but understandable,
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx65TUqJoDwint6kwb8qsCvRdWAY52769Y?si=qacu2kRk0YjMgkm5
Exactly that, this one was bad but there have been much worse. This one would probably be onside if Arsene Wenger gets his way with the offside law.
To be fair, it sounds like an SG1 AR should be getting this correct, but offside is hard. The higher you get, the cleverer the players get, the harder it gets. Someone like Mr S Burt is an actual expert at it, can't actually remember him getting one wrong on field. (I'm sure he has, but how he has the accuracy he does, I'll never know)
Not much point. Ball in/out of play, except for when a goal is scored. Routine delayed obvious offside flags... just to help get the right restart. Bit of comms to the ref maybe. A few more eyes to pick-up on what VAR will see anyway
I've noticed some sloppiness creeping in with signalling. Copying UEFA ARs. Casually randomly waving the flag whilst still on the move. This shouldn't matter too much, but it does look bang average