Double headers

[DavidObs]

They are usually a last resort, seems a little early to be in that category, especially as we haven't had an especially bad winter. It is correct that someone sent off in the first game can play in the second, which is far from ideal. I would say though if someone is sent off for serious VC you suggest to their manager that it would be a really bad idea him playing in the second game. You can't enforce it, but equally I think most appointments officers would back you if you refused to referee the second game if they didn't stand him down.

The only benefit for the referee is the fee, you usually get extra money for not a lot of extra work, unlike a cup game that goes to extra time.

Not an easy one. When it happened to me, it never entered my head to refuse the offender from not playing and fortunately it worked out, but for others, it may not be the same outcome.

As to fee, I can see that there is a benefit with a double game, though i would still hope that fee is not high on the agenda.

 

[Runner Ref]

One plus side is they’re good for 7-6 6-5 promotion candidates. Two of your matches done in two hours.

I never ever considered that. Do they actually class as 2 games? If an observer was appointed, how would that work?

 

[RustyRef]

I never ever considered that. Do they actually class as 2 games? If an observer was appointed, how would that work?

They didn't use to on the old observation system as games had to be at least 70 minutes. That might well have changed on match day coaching though.

 

[Runner Ref]

They didn't use to on the old observation system as games had to be at least 70 minutes. That might well have changed on match day coaching though.

Yeah, that’s a very good point.

Would be interesting to find an answer to this

 

[RayCharles]

Is this OA football?

I was sure Kids had a time limit to total minutes allowed per day for football.
Or I may of read that wrong.

 

[Gabriel]

I was sure Kids had a time limit to total minutes allowed per day for football.

They do, you are correct. That's why when they play double headers the games are typically shorter (it's usually just splitting it into quarters to be honest).

 

[DavidObs]

They do, you are correct. That's why when they play double headers the games are typically shorter (it's usually just splitting it into quarters to be honest).

In OA football double headers used to be 2 games of 1 hour duration each (30 mins each way) & may be the same in this day & age.

 

[Gabriel]

In OA football double headers used to be 2 games of 1 hour duration each (30 mins each way) & may be the same in this day & age.

I thought it was something like that. My post referencing quarters being common (but not always the case!) was mainly targeted at a situation in youth football.

 

[Runner Ref]

In OA football double headers used to be 2 games of 1 hour duration each (30 mins each way) & may be the same in this day & age.

This makes it even more intriguing as to whether you could be observed and how it would work…..

 

[RayCharles]

They do, you are correct. That's why when they play double headers the games are typically shorter (it's usually just splitting it into quarters to be honest).

Ah. I see. Yeah so a little bit like kids tournaments. Quick turn around of matches with a % of time in comparison to a usual match for that age group.

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Yeah, that’s a very good point.

Would be interesting to find an answer to this

Varies by County. RDO will advise.

 

[Refollie]

In OA football double headers used to be 2 games of 1 hour duration each (30 mins each way) & may be the same in this day & age.

Yep 30mins each way x 2. And in some counties it counts as two games towards promotion, but if so you are highly unlikely to be assigned a match day coach as there are plenty of normal games for a very small number of coaches

 

[Russell Jones]

This makes it even more intriguing as to whether you could be observed and how it would work…..

I’d be very surprised if double headers were happening at the levels where referees are being observed (5 to 4 upwards).

As the appointee of Match Day Coaches, I’d be completely fine sending someone to watch the first game of a double header. IMO, at least 75% of the advice given to referees by these coaches is, in any case, gleaned in the first half of a normal match (positioning, whistle, signaling etc etc)

 

[one]

I’d be very surprised if double headers were happening at the levels where referees are being observed (5 to 4 upwards).

As the appointee of Match Day Coaches, I’d be completely fine sending someone to watch the first game of a double header. IMO, at least 75% of the advice given to referees by these coaches is, in any case, gleaned in the first half of a normal match (positioning, whistle, signaling etc etc)

Depends on the purpose of the watching. While I don't disagree with you, also, of the games which go pear shaped or 'control is lost' (i don't really like that term), 75% of them happen in the second half, or even more accurately in the last 20 minutes.

 

[Russell Jones]

Depends on the purpose of the watching. While I don't disagree with you, also, of the games which go pear shaped or 'control is lost' (i don't really like that term), 75% of them happen in the second half, or even more accurately in the last 20 minutes.

Totally agree. And watching 90 mins definitely better than 60. That said, games trending in the manner you describe is, IMO, driven more by the closeness to the final whistle than by the duration of the game per se.

 

[BCMilan]

I've done loads of these over the years. Good idea if teams have lots of league games to get through, and there are opponents they haven't faced yet. I have no issue with a sent off player playing the 2nd game. They're in effect two completely different games.

 

[Refollie]

Needn’t have worried. 0 cards in match 1.

Six yellows in match 2, however… the longer the match, the more scores there are to settle I suppose!

 

[Samuel]

the more scores there are to settle I suppose!

That is another none of us had mentioned. If you got a yellow for a challenge in the first half and you still have a clean slate to batter someone, of course you are gonna take it.

 

[Archer]

That’s when those “orange” decisions sway into red.

 

[blackref]

They pay double (except travel only once) so what's not to like you get to ref the same amount of football. The only thing that is sometimes farcical is the league stipulate a rest period of 30 mins in-between games that no-one wants and doubt ever happens - both teams will 99.9% always want and stipulate upfront before 1st match kicks off they just have usual 10 mins or so break in-between.