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PSV v Girona. Foul throw?

Degnann

Degnann

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PSVs first goal causing some noise as the throwers foot appears to be in the field. Most fans assume this is a foul throw. I’m sure there was a thread on here before regarding the wording of the law.

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Does law 15 allow for this as part of the foot is on the touchline?
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And then if so, is it reviewable as a goal was scored straight from it.

Debate away.
 
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Degnann said:
PSVs first goal causing some noise as the throwers foot appears to be in the field. Most fans assume this is a foul throw. I’m sure there was a thread on here before regarding the wording of the law.

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Does law 15 allow for this as part of the foot is on the touchline?
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And then if so, is it reviewable as a goal was scored straight from it.

Debate away.
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1) it's legal.
2) My feeling is that yes this could be reviewed by VAR.

The protocol allows for the attacking phase of play to be reviewed for goal no goal including how possession was gained and only says about incorrect restarts eg wrong corner decisions, not being allowed to be changed. If a ball was moving on a restart then var would Intervene so in my head at least I think they'd intervene on a clear foul throw.
 
Looks to me like his heel is touching the line. In any case, very trivial and wouldn't see it as a C&O error.
 
isn;t this the same as the ball being incorrectly placed at a free kick being unreviewable? something we were told after the tony free kick last season...
 
JamesL said:
1) it's legal.
2) My feeling is that yes this could be reviewed by VAR.

The protocol allows for the attacking phase of play to be reviewed for goal no goal including how possession was gained and only says about incorrect restarts eg wrong corner decisions, not being allowed to be changed. If a ball was moving on a restart then var would Intervene so in my head at least I think they'd intervene on a clear foul throw.
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We posted simulataneously I think. Just to clarify, I agree if this was a clear foul throw, just not a marginal one.
 
es1 said:
isn;t this the same as the ball being incorrectly placed at a free kick being unreviewable? something we were told after the tony free kick last season...
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I think this differs slightly as this refers directly to the procedure for a legal throw in where as restart location is always best endeavours as close as possible.

I think if he takes the throw in ten yards up the line which is more directly comparable then that can't be reviewed, but actual procedure being wrong could be.

Might be totally wrong mind. No VAR expert
 
JamesL said:
I think this differs slightly as this refers directly to the procedure for a legal throw in where as restart location is always best endeavours as close as possible.

I think if he takes the throw in ten yards up the line which is more directly comparable then that can't be reviewed, but actual procedure being wrong could be.

Might be totally wrong mind. No VAR expert
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certainly not claiming to be either!
 
JamesL said:
I think this differs slightly as this refers directly to the procedure for a legal throw in where as restart location is always best endeavours as close as possible.

I think if he takes the throw in ten yards up the line which is more directly comparable then that can't be reviewed, but actual procedure being wrong could be.

Might be totally wrong mind. No VAR expert
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Something comparable happened in the Dutch competition some years ago. Ball was moving during a goal kick. The team with the goal kick scored and the goalkick started the APP. VAR cancelled the goal based on the moving ball during goalkick but the Dutch FA released a statement later that VAR should not have intervened.
 
bester said:
Restart infringements, except penalties, aren't reviewable by VAR.
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I'm sure you might be right but I can only find this:

• The Laws of the Game do not allow restart decisions (corner kicks, throw-ins
etc.) to be changed once play has restarted, so they cannot be reviewed

Which is ambiguous at best.

I'm sure what this is referring to, or at least it can be read as if referee has awarded a corner when it should have been a GK that restart can't be changed as opposed to an offence has occurred at a restart but also accept it could mean that depending how you read it. Unless I have missed something else in the protocol?

Won't be surprised but I've written to my chums in Switzerland.
 
A more extreme case. A goal is scored directly from a corner kick taken from tha farside to the AR. Tha ball was placed a yard outside the corner arc for the corner kick. Is this reviewable.

Agree with @JamesL , a very ambiguous area.
 
one said:
A more extreme case. A goal is scored directly from a corner kick taken from tha farside to the AR. Tha ball was placed a yard outside the corner arc for the corner kick. Is this reviewable.

Agree with @JamesL , a very ambiguous area.
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reminds me of the discussions when sheff utd scored at villa but GLT didnt give it because the ball was obscured and then VAR didn't/couldnt get involved to give it

VAR process might not permit it now but i guarantee you if we see such an incident it will become reviewable by VAR in the future
 
es1 said:
reminds me of the discussions when sheff utd scored at villa but GLT didnt give it because the ball was obscured and then VAR didn't/couldnt get involved to give it

VAR process might not permit it now but i guarantee you if we see such an incident it will become reviewable by VAR in the future
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No VAR intervention​

As for the Video Assistant Referee, PGMOL, the organisation responsible for match officials, stated after the match that under IFAB protocol, the VAR is able to check goal situations.

However, in this instance, due to the fact that the on-field match officials did not receive a signal, and the unique nature of that, the VAR chose not to intervene
 
JamesL said:

No VAR intervention​

As for the Video Assistant Referee, PGMOL, the organisation responsible for match officials, stated after the match that under IFAB protocol, the VAR is able to check goal situations.

However, in this instance, due to the fact that the on-field match officials did not receive a signal, and the unique nature of that, the VAR chose not to intervene
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wow i thought they couldn't intervene...makes it sound awful bearing in mind the magnitude of the goal, not that you'd care!
 
They've given examples where the restart was in order.
There's definitely been occasions where improper restarts have to led to a goal and the VAR can't intervene eg attacker within 1-yard of the wall at a free kick.
 
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If you ignore the poorly worded part about the feet here in lies the answer to our question.
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Agree with @bester . Both examples from IFAB there is no issue with restart. There is an offence/issue after the restart and hance after the ball is lotgfully in play.

I don't think this reply has clarified it for me. A corner kick taken from a yard out of corner arc and a goal is scored directly, is this a major breach of laws? comparing it to the (incorrect) examples by IFAB, I think it is but there also seems to be a point for referee should deal with it. If we we go with the mantra of not clear in law so use what football expects, any natural person seeing the replay would want a VAR intervention. And fans of the scoring team won't want it but would expect it.
 
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