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PSV v Girona. Foul throw?

santa sangria said:
I would expect wrong restart not reviewable, restart offence reviewable. But then I am a simple soul.
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I don't get this! What's the diff between a wrong restart and a restart offence? My understanding of a review of the restart offence is a review of the restart. It's not easy for a simple soul to live in a complex world.

To be clear, if a goal is scored directly from a corner kick take from 5 yards outside the corner arc (increased distance to make a point), and is undetected by on field officials, you expect it reviewed? Or not reviewed?
 
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I think the concept is that VAR can get involved with anything that would be reviewed by a KMI panel. If a goal was scored from a long throw (after another touch of course) and it was subsequently noticed that the throw in wasn't taken correctly, I'm not certain if that would be reviewed by the KMI panel?!
 
RefereeX said:
I think the concept is that VAR can get involved with anything that would be reviewed by a KMI panel. If a goal was scored from a long throw (after another touch of course) and it was subsequently noticed that the throw in wasn't taken correctly, I'm not certain if that would be reviewed by the KMI panel?!
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I think those things are apples and oranges,

I also think the protocols should simply say that outside of PK, the VAR does not review restarts prior to a goal. I think that is what they mean, but it would be good to be clear.
 
one said:
I don't get this! What's the diff between a wrong restart and a restart offence? My understanding of a review of the restart offence is a review of the restart. It's not easy for a simple soul to live in a complex world.

To be clear, if a goal is scored directly from a corner kick take from 5 yards outside the corner arc (increased distance to make a point), and is undetected by on field officials, you expect it reviewed? Or not reviewed?
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Wrong restart = restart awareded to wrong team

Corner outside corner arc surely should be reviewed… surely the concept should be VAR checks if scoring team has broken laws (in the phase leading to goal)
 
santa sangria said:
Wrong restart = restart awareded to wrong team

Corner outside corner arc surely should be reviewed… surely the concept should be VAR checks if scoring team has broken laws (in the phase leading to goal)
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No, please no. We really want goals wiped out by VAR because a CK was an inch outside the arc?!?!?
 
RefereeX said:
Absolutely always gonna be overturned. It’s been discussed on here countless times that a players foot coming down on top of another (studs down) in UEFA competition is a mandatory foul / caution.
Oliver had zero choice. If that’s in the UK I’m sure it stands.
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Agree, in UEFA games that is always getting given as a foul.
 
socal lurker said:
No, please no. We really want goals wiped out by VAR because a CK was an inch outside the arc?!?!?
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Yes and no. How about 1 yard, or 5 yards?

And do we want a penalty save to be disallowed because the keeper was one inch over the line? Apparently yes.

Aligning factual decisions with already set expectations is never easy. IMO no one wants to change a match changing decision based on a one inch infringement but everyone wants it if it a yard or 5. Having said that, once a new standard is put in place, it takes a little time but expectations change accordingly.
 
The problem with “toe nail OS” is it doesn’t matter where we draw the line—there will always be cases where someone is a mm past whatever line is drawn. The only way to get out of that box is to use what MLS uses—no VAR lines and the AR is only reversed (either way) if the call can be seen as clearly wrong without having to draw lines.

But I do think it is different than the restart. @one wants to start the parade of horribles of a CK taken 5 yards outside the arc—has anyone ever seen such a thing happen in a professional game???

I have no desire to expand VAR (frankly, I’d still abolish it, but that just isn’t going to happen). But expanding it to address improper restarts is really going too far IMO, as then you start really going down the line drawing wormhole of what can be reviewed. Are we coming back for a wobbling ball on a FK? Attacker too close to the wall? (Is that a meter or 1.01 meters?) for a FK not taken from the right spot? And how close does it have to be? Sure, let’s pull back that goal because an OS FK was taken three yards away from the exact spot. Heck, is an OS FK ever taken from the right spot? Same with throw ins—how many throw ins are taken from exactly the right spot? 5%?
 
socal lurker said:
But I do think it is different than the restart. @one wants to start the parade of horribles of a CK taken 5 yards outside the arc—has anyone ever seen such a thing happen in a professional game???
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Morten Gamst Pedersen at the JJB, and cost us two points. About 15 years ago. I’M NOT STILL BITTER ABOUT IT 😡 . 😂
 
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