PSG v Bayern

[Big Cat]

TBF, it does sound like a good game from the score line etc, but I'd struggle to stay tuned after seeing that HB decision
The Hemel Town game was interesting. Sort of a terrible watch, but in all the ways I like! They went out on PKs unfortunately
Off the Boreham Wood with the kids tonight. Not particularly interested in how Arsenal get on either

 

[Pembroke]

Good question, but Rusty is correct in that it has virtually always been the case for as long as I can remember & it doesn’t matter what tweaks are done to the Laws or any additional guidance provided, Europe/UEFA/European Referees continue to do the same thing with the same/very similar incidents - penalise. As to why - looks like it’s just in their DNA.

I think its just weird. Bi peds move limbs when they move, that really (it really is) in our DNA.

 

[Archer]

I’m sure it wasn’t as remotely exciting as the smash n’ grab 1-0 away playoff semi win that I watched instead last night and nearly fell asleep standing up.

Caution for simulation after EIGHTEEN seconds though, great stuff.

 

[RustyRef]

Why?

Because the heads of FIFA and UEFA refereeing have told referees to be strict on handling. Whereas Howard Webb has done the opposite. That’s why you’ll see the English FIFA badges referees judging handball decisions completely differently in the EPL than the ECL.

 

[redref2005]

TBF, it does sound like a good game from the score line etc, but I'd struggle to stay tuned after seeing that HB decision
The Hemel Town game was interesting. Sort of a terrible watch, but in all the ways I like! They went out on PKs unfortunately
Off the Boreham Wood with the kids tonight. Not particularly interested in how Arsenal get on either

There was also the incident when a PSG player went down with a foot injury and the ref stopped the game as Bayern were attacking.. Not at all dubious ;-) but then again I see plain poor refereeing in the PL every day of the week so it's no surprise really.

 

[Pembroke]

Because the heads of FIFA and UEFA refereeing have told referees to be strict on handling. Whereas Howard Webb has done the opposite. That’s why you’ll see the English FIFA badges referees judging handball decisions completely differently in the EPL than the ECL.

Thank you, but what is the purpose?

 

[socal lurker]

Thank you, but what is the purpose?

There have always been divergent views on when handling should be punished and what consistutes an unfair advantage from the contact with ball or arm. For a very long time the divide between south america and England was huge. It's closer now (I think) and settling closer to what England (and the US, too) saw as the proper standard. I would say that the core difference between England and UEFA/FIFA is where to draw the line on what makes the player "unnaturally" bigger. It's a mushy standard. And I think England focusses more on natural for what the player is doing than does UEFA/FIFA. (My gut is that the US is now closer to UEFA/FIFA than to England.) To my eye (having seen only limited replays), this was close but not at all surprising call for a match outside England. A player trying to block a ball is often held to a higher "unnatural" standard than a player who is not moving toward the ball. (I personally tend more towards the England view, though I do think England sometimes forgives sneaky play in this area that UEFA does not.)

 

[RustyRef]

Thank you, but what is the purpose?

Like most situations in life and work, the stance taken often comes from the views of the senior managers. Collina and Rosetti want handling penalised whenever the arm is away from the natural silhouette. In contrast Webb says PGMO listen to what the clubs are telling them and therefore aren't giving as many penalties for handling. Probably similar to how some CEOs want their staff back in offices 4 days a week, others are happy for them to primarily work from home. Different opinions, but those opinions get hoisted onto everyone in the organisation whether they like it or not.

 

[Pembroke]

@RustyRef @Social Lurker thanks for the replies. I am looking at what the benefit is? And as somebody who has been employed to play football, coach football and athletics I am looking at what is the benefit of what UEFA/FIFA. The way this is interpreted is illogical. Players are being expected to behave unnaturally in specific situations.

Thankfully we do not have the same standard. In these specific situations players are coached to defend critically, we stop the ball first. UEFA/FIFA standard is "well you will have to chop your arms off .."

 

[cwyeary]

Why?

Basically UEFA holds the view that a defender having their hand/arm out laterally while defending a cross or shot on goal is an unnatural action designed to create a barrier to stop the ball.

Like someone else said. This is pretty consistently a PK in Europe.

 

[cwyeary]

@RustyRef @Social Lurker thanks for the replies. I am looking at what the benefit is? And as somebody who has been employed to play football, coach football and athletics I am looking at what is the benefit of what UEFA/FIFA. The way this is interpreted is illogical. Players are being expected to behave unnaturally in specific situations.

I think the best way to sum it up is this - when you are defending a shot or a cross (which in their terms is not an "unexpected ball") it is your job as an elite professional defender to not have your arm unfairly block said shot/cross by creating a barrier. Maybe it doesn't match the dictionary definition of a naturally placed arm but I think the idea is that it helps create a more attacking game.

 

[bester]

Because the heads of FIFA and UEFA refereeing have told referees to be strict on handling. Whereas Howard Webb has done the opposite. That’s why you’ll see the English FIFA badges referees judging handball decisions completely differently in the EPL than the ECL.

Collina hasn't? Rosetti was talking as if handball isn't even a subjective decision, he may as well go with it's an offence if it hits the hand.

 

[RustyRef]

Collina hasn't? Rosetti was talking as if handball isn't even a subjective decision, he may as well go with it's an offence if it hits the hand.

They are much stricter on FIFA games than in the EPL, perhaps not as strict as UEFA granted but the EPL is almost certainly the most lenient on handling offences.

 

[RefereeX]

The Hemel Town game was interesting. Sort of a terrible watch, but in all the ways I like! They went out on PKs unfortunately

Referee any good? I know him well and I think he's in with a shot at promotion to national list (which this appointment would probably back up)