There is much truth in what you have said here & previously.
MOT vs CEL
- Thread starter one
- Start date
ladbroke8745
Censorship. Dictatorship
Got to love "referees" coming out on social media, claiming to be referees at least, and adding, in caps, fun facts and being so incredibly wrong.
Link to this post please
ladbroke8745
Censorship. Dictatorship
I do wonder, using the statement as guideline for this post im about to make (sorry its about the Villa game from tonight but hear me out)...
The statement mentions about media, management, players, fans etc all calling out refs decisions yet in the Villa match I can almost guarantee you'll see posts criticising Watkins failure for second yellow for Delaying Restart (after doing exactly same in first half) and failure to give penalty against Martinez on VVD for shirt pull amongst other supposd ref decisions but wont hear anything about the slip by the Liverpool player gifting the ball to Villa for goal number 2, or Chiesa (i think) for just standing still allowing Watkins to score their 3rd goal. Or Mac Allisters blatant cheating to try and get Konsa sent off, the 6 yard open goal miss by Gakpo or their general poor defending. Liverpool fans will write about the refs faults but none of this all weekend.
And that is the point of the statement.
It needs to stop.
Media need to help in this too.
They lead questions to managers and players in post match interviews when players are fresh off the field with decisions but never call out the slips, the misses etc.
Maybe we should go on strike. Even for a few consecutive weeks.
Play round 1 fixtures so that teams are ready and going. And as they start, stop. Teach them.
Oh, again apologies for using different game to base my points about this amazing statement...
Robbie Fowler nicely fueling the fire...
The statement mentions about media, management, players, fans etc all calling out refs decisions yet in the Villa match I can almost guarantee you'll see posts criticising Watkins failure for second yellow for Delaying Restart (after doing exactly same in first half) and failure to give penalty against Martinez on VVD for shirt pull amongst other supposd ref decisions but wont hear anything about the slip by the Liverpool player gifting the ball to Villa for goal number 2, or Chiesa (i think) for just standing still allowing Watkins to score their 3rd goal. Or Mac Allisters blatant cheating to try and get Konsa sent off, the 6 yard open goal miss by Gakpo or their general poor defending. Liverpool fans will write about the refs faults but none of this all weekend.
And that is the point of the statement.
It needs to stop.
Media need to help in this too.
They lead questions to managers and players in post match interviews when players are fresh off the field with decisions but never call out the slips, the misses etc.
Maybe we should go on strike. Even for a few consecutive weeks.
Play round 1 fixtures so that teams are ready and going. And as they start, stop. Teach them.
Oh, again apologies for using different game to base my points about this amazing statement...
Robbie Fowler nicely fueling the fire...
Last edited:
one
RefChat Addict
While there is truth to your post, but there is no excuse for hatred and making it personal. I don't care how bad VAR is and correct and strong the critisisms are, it should NOT come to referee's safety being compromised.
Critisising a system/process/decision is a fundemental part of progress but we as a society should be able to do that without crossing the line.
Last edited:
The sad truth is the appetite for striking is low as evidenced when ref support tried it a few years back.
Due to the state of the nation many people rely on the refereeing income OR can't forego it is probably a better way to say it, so will not get on board with striking.
I also think it has to at least start at home. And by that I mean referees criticising each other - which routinely happens across many social media and media outlets from the top down, with some fairly high profile examples routinely on radio and TV offering an almost exclusively opposing opinion on almost every decision.
Spot on James, though I have to say even though I was assaulted three times in my Refereeing career, with the last one being pretty bad, I was never in favour of strike action & not a money thing, but just getting out there to do a game.
Makes sense. I was the same. But I'm also not a trade unionist so I don't naturally lend myself to industrial action
One final thing in this from me as we now know the end of season outcome.
It is a very good and strong statement from the SFA, and I hope the police are involved and arrest/prosecute those responsible for the leaking of the referee’s details as well as anyone making threats.
What I don’t like about the statement is the persistent reference to “perceived” errors. There are many “perceived” errors, but there are also many real errors. This ought to be recognised - referrees & VARs are human and WILL make mistakes. We can never have perfection and we need to stop pursuing.
The handball decision was wrong in law, and it therefore must follow that the VAR review was also incorrect. In no way does that justify or warrant threats or attacks, but messaging like that is unhelpful (and almost certainly driven by in-house legal advice that always tells corporates never to admit mistakes).
I remain firmly of the view that this issue could be helped (not solved) by FAs being way stronger on player behaviour in the pro-game as well as on post-match comments, whilst also being way stronger in grassroots (2 match bans for calling referees the c word are woefully inadequate).
It is a very good and strong statement from the SFA, and I hope the police are involved and arrest/prosecute those responsible for the leaking of the referee’s details as well as anyone making threats.
What I don’t like about the statement is the persistent reference to “perceived” errors. There are many “perceived” errors, but there are also many real errors. This ought to be recognised - referrees & VARs are human and WILL make mistakes. We can never have perfection and we need to stop pursuing.
The handball decision was wrong in law, and it therefore must follow that the VAR review was also incorrect. In no way does that justify or warrant threats or attacks, but messaging like that is unhelpful (and almost certainly driven by in-house legal advice that always tells corporates never to admit mistakes).
I remain firmly of the view that this issue could be helped (not solved) by FAs being way stronger on player behaviour in the pro-game as well as on post-match comments, whilst also being way stronger in grassroots (2 match bans for calling referees the c word are woefully inadequate).
one
RefChat Addict
Agree with most of what you said but not this. It was a subjective decision and can't be wrong 'in law'. I do believe though that it was a wrong decision.
Wrong in law is a different kettle of fish and matches can be replayed because of it. They are almost always factual decisions. For example allowing a goal after a penalty kick rebounding of the cross bar and scored by taker kicking it again.
It certainly wasn't wrong in law, that means the referee sees something and then applies the law incorrectly. It may well be a wrong judgement call, but that is very, very different to being incorrect in law.