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Added time penalty not a handball for me in a hundred years. If indeed it touched the ball it was neither deliberate nor unnaturally bigger for the action. It was the opponent's shoulder which pushed the hand towards the ball for FFS (For Football's Sake). And it certainly is not a clear and obvious error in a million years.
 
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Here's the incident (4:43):
Ball definitely hits the defender's arm:
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I agree that the defender's body is not being made unnaturally bigger because the ball is going to hit his head anyway.
I am also not seeing a deliberate action by the defender leading to the contact. If you watch the close up at 1.5x (essentially returning it to normal speed) it seems clear the defender does not have time to react to the collision with the attacker.
 
I struggled to see conclusive proof it hit his hand & certainly not in the brief amount of time Beaton was at the screen before giving the pen.

Ultimately - was this a deliberate action? Obviously we have the laws to ‘support’ i.e. making body unnaturally bigger etc, but here Trusty ‘heads’ the defender’s elbow just as the ball reaches them, taking his arm and hand towards his forehead for the ball to (according to VAR) then hit his hand.

I genuinely couldn’t believe this got given. It’s not a handball under any interpretation of the laws IMO. I thought they were deliberating on whether he elbowed Trusty (which wasn’t the case either - he came in blindside to the defender).
 
I think they’re (the pundits) right when they say there is no way the ball moves like that if it hits his hand - if it hits the hand in that position with no swing the ball stops and drops down, it doesn’t go 10-15 yards the other way
 
the speed taken to give the decision at the screen is very strange considering how hard it is to tell anything from the replays

if i were connected to Hearts i'd be fuming
 
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Good image showing what has actually happened - heading the ball through his hand almost?

Still don't think it's anything resembling a penalty and obviously not a view the ref had
 
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This is a very personal opinion and I’m not saying that I agree with my own thoughts but Referees can’t win - they either take too long or not long enough, though the Celtic incident was very quick, but he obviously saw what he wanted to see. Similar to the Raya incident, I don’t think it was a clear & obvious error that was considered, but given the magnitude of the decision, the Referees in the West Ham & Celtic games wanted to ensure the correct decision was reached (whether that was the right thing to do is a separate debate). I think many can see the reason for West Ham’s goal being disallowed (even if they disagreed with it because of other things going on at the same/similar time), but more are having trouble with the Celtic incident, especially with the speed of review.
 
It's not the speed of the review I have an issue with, it's they only seemed to show it from one angle which is not fully conclusive.

If they had a side on angle which was shown to the ref and it hits his hand then more people would accept the decision.

I do think though alot of the fury is also coming from that it benefitted Celtic, if this was hearts being awarded a penalty then there won't be anywhere near as much anger about it.
 
Paul_10 said:
It's not the speed of the review I have an issue with, it's they only seemed to show it from one angle which is not fully conclusive.

If they had a side on angle which was shown to the ref and it hits his hand then more people would accept the decision.

I do think though alot of the fury is also coming from that it benefitted Celtic, if this was hearts being awarded a penalty then there won't be anywhere near as much anger about it.
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Could there have been more angles had the Referee waited!
 
My considerable gripe with some decisions (lately 2 pen calls in 2 games this very week) is that they're both on the side of the AR who have clear unobstructed views of it all.
How these assistants can't seemingly have an input (not saying they don't) but a head injury in the Tottenham game and this incident in this game. Assistants looking directly at them.
 
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Good image showing what has actually happened - heading the ball through his hand almost?

Still don't think it's anything resembling a penalty and obviously not a view the ref had
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If find there is a high chance the image has been digitally altered. The the bottim of the contact line through the ball to hand doesnt look right.

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It hits the defender's hand, but it's not a handball offence. Not deliberate, and hasn't made him unnaturally bigger. I think the push from behind on the attacker looks like a foul though.
 
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