I read it as @Kent Ref didn't trust the reason for the postponement. That was his opinion rather than the content of the text message
match off but pitch fine
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It has absolutely nothing to do with you, both in terms of whether the pitch was playable or what happens to the outcome of the game.
If it happened on a league I was on the committee of I would be asking the home club for proof of postponement, i.e. confirmation from whoever lets and / or manages the ground that they called it off. If they couldn't produce that they would be charged with failing to fulfil the fixture. If they did produce that then there could be no further action, doesn't matter if the referee deems the pitch playable, if the pitch authority says it is unplayable that is the final word, if you play on a pitch after they have said you can't you are effectively trespassing. You aren't entitled to any fee, half or otherwise, as you attended the ground off your own back to carry out an unnecessary and unauthorised pitch inspection.
That said, for the league I am involved in almost every game on grass pitches today are off due to waterlogging. As harsh as I can be, not even sure I'd be asking for proof of postponement when almost all grass pitches in the region are off, and where there are flood warning in place all over the region.
If it happened on a league I was on the committee of I would be asking the home club for proof of postponement, i.e. confirmation from whoever lets and / or manages the ground that they called it off. If they couldn't produce that they would be charged with failing to fulfil the fixture. If they did produce that then there could be no further action, doesn't matter if the referee deems the pitch playable, if the pitch authority says it is unplayable that is the final word, if you play on a pitch after they have said you can't you are effectively trespassing. You aren't entitled to any fee, half or otherwise, as you attended the ground off your own back to carry out an unnecessary and unauthorised pitch inspection.
That said, for the league I am involved in almost every game on grass pitches today are off due to waterlogging. As harsh as I can be, not even sure I'd be asking for proof of postponement when almost all grass pitches in the region are off, and where there are flood warning in place all over the region.
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I don't understand why the home club would call the game off and then text you to say they don't believe the parish council would call a game off at 9pm the night before.
Either way, we're getting sidetracked a tad here. The game was called off and you travelled to the ground off your own back. Had you not had any confirmation of the game being off and turned up, you could be owed part of your fee, depending on league/county rules.
As @george.g said, if they are up to something suspicious, they're still going to have to play the team again at a later date. So not too sure what it would achieve.
Looking on the full-time website, there is more than 1 game called off today throughout Kent.
Either way, we're getting sidetracked a tad here. The game was called off and you travelled to the ground off your own back. Had you not had any confirmation of the game being off and turned up, you could be owed part of your fee, depending on league/county rules.
As @george.g said, if they are up to something suspicious, they're still going to have to play the team again at a later date. So not too sure what it would achieve.
Looking on the full-time website, there is more than 1 game called off today throughout Kent.
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This seems to be all about the fee which is equally as comical as it is outrageous.
Grounds at all levels take pre-emptive measures this time of year and/or with bad weather. The fact it was played on yesterday could be exactly why they have forbade it's usage today. It's also not that unrealistic that the council called the game off much earlier and the news of which only reached you at 21:00.
And yours was the one that wasn’t. Stuff
happens.
I’ve been the ref who had his game called off because I was appointed to the pitch that the council chose to call off, when other on the league played theirs. It’s luck of the draw. Like I said, this is the nature of reffing.
I am 99.5% sure that the team most certainly didn’t postpone the game to rob you of your fee. And if all games played, there are often facebook groups etc. searching for refs even on the morning of games. In my eyes, I just don’t see how you should be entitled to a fee.
And remember, they might be resting the pitch. One game after mixed weather can write it off for weeks.
If I was running a club that was ordered to pay the referee fee for a game that was called off the night before I would absolutely appeal it, knowing that I would 100% win as there is absolutely no provision in SCoR or SCoR-Y for this to be justified.
As I said in my other post, if the home club produce an email from the letting authority saying that the pitch was unplayable there is absolutely nothing you or the league can do about it.
And if they couldn’t, then the club will be punished for failing to fulfil the fixture. I highly doubt your match fee would be part of
the punishment?
Even if they are charged you won't get your fee.
You were notified not to attend the game.
Fines and tariffs are all laid out and regulated so anything over and above is appealed and removed.
Correct. The game was called off last night, rightly or wrongly, but if a referee chooses to travel to the game irrespective of this then that is at their own expense.
Let me know the home club name and I'll let them know they are under no obligation to pay
Edge of my seat now
Another typical obnoxious reply by you.Let me know the home club name and I'll let them know they are under no obligation to pay
Your normal level.
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Ultimately @Kent Ref take it as a learning point. I get you want to get out there and referee, we all do when we get appointed to a game.
But sometimes factors outside of your control will occur, and you just need to get on with it and enjoy your day off. There could well be other leagues needing referees that you could contact, but other than that, there's not too much else to do.
The home club could well be up to no good, but that's for the league to deal with
Enjoy your day off!
But sometimes factors outside of your control will occur, and you just need to get on with it and enjoy your day off. There could well be other leagues needing referees that you could contact, but other than that, there's not too much else to do.
The home club could well be up to no good, but that's for the league to deal with
Enjoy your day off!
It isn't obnoxious at all. You've involved yourself way beyond the level a referee should be doing so, and I'm not the only one telling you that.
If the league order the club to pay you a match fee they will be in breach of rules, that is black and white and not open to any kind of debate. If the club appeals it then it would 100% be backed by the CFA, and it wouldn't reflect well on you undertaking a pitch inspection off your own back when the game is already off. There's only one person in the wrong here and it ain't me.
Okay folks, that's enough. You're at the limit of my tolerance now. Play nicely or there'll be some 10 minute sit downs coming your way, or 8 mins for the younger ones amongst you.
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you constantly take a "mightier than thou' attitude. you're condescending and rude.
I'm waiting on the outcome by the end of next week.
If the league find the game should of been played and i am awarded a match fee are you going to get involved?
I find it strange that i am told going to the venue is extreme yet you indicated that you would like to get involved. how extreme does that make your involvement compared to mine?
Clubs lie and this occasion they have been caught out as the parish council did not postpone the game. this has been confirmed by the club already i am told.
Maybe i should just accept being lied to but i knew better as i was there yesterday and i took 8 pictures that i sent to the league today.
This same scenario happened in october with the same 2 teams. my mate ended up with no game (cup game). he smelt a rat but didn"t check up as he lives 15 miles away. that game was awarded to that team.
You invited that involvement by entering a public space, and sharing your course of action.
The club didn't invite your involvement, they just fulfilled their duty to inform you the game would not be played.
I get it genuinely is grim to lose a game, we all want to be out there as much as we can, so I can get you frustration in that respect anyway
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