Marseille v PSG

[ladbroke8745]

Been watching the end of this match and saw former BHA manager sent off on 90 minutes.
He leaves the technical area but literally stands behind the dugout even "banging" the roof of the dugout. He is literally managing the team from behind the dugout with assistance from his own team.
Then, as the whistle blows (his team win 1-0) he is on the pitch. There is no eay he was not not on the pitch when it blew. He was a few yards on it as the ref was still blowing.

Now. I may be wrong, but surely even sent off he isn't allowed back on the field at the end of the game (he literally could go confront the ref). Also, I dont know what the rules are regarding where he goes but surely being sent off should mean a little further than directly above/behind the dugout...

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Competition Rules dictate where he needs to go after being sent off - often out of sight of the field of play until after the game.

 

[socal lurker]

Competition Rules dictate where he needs to go after being sent off - often out of sight of the field of play until after the game.

I don’t think that is common in professional games. Pretending managers end up in the stands. I think it would be better if they had to go to the clubhouse when sent off (which is typical in most Us professional sports).

 

[DavidObs]

I don’t think that is common in professional games. Pretending managers end up in the stands. I think it would be better if they had to go to the clubhouse when sent off (which is typical in most Us professional sports).

I wouldn’t mind Managers being sent to the stands, but not behind the dug out (perhaps he initially went to the stand before creeping back to the dug out).

 

[BCMilan]

I bet clubs start leaving an empty seat behind the dugout now

 

[RefereeX]

As above, it's all down to competition rules. Most competition rules in England that are in the national league system and above now state that people dismissed from the technical area must go to an area that does not afford them a view of the pitch (i.e. the changing rooms). Obviously this would contravene that, but I've no idea what the rules suggest in Ligue 1.

I do recall the famous image of Wenger stood in the stand at Man Utd getting loads fo sh*t from the Utd fans. Don't think that could happen these days

 

[BCMilan]

I never knew that. I thought they could just sit in the stands (like the TV pictures tend to indicate)

 

[socal lurker]

I thought there was a recent incident in the PL of the manager in the stands on the phone with the technical area? Am I confusing that with another league?

 

[DavidObs]

I thought there was a recent incident in the PL of the manager in the stands on the phone with the technical area? Am I confusing that with another league?

That’s certainly the case in the EFL & as far as I am aware is perfectly acceptable.

 

[RefereeX]

Maybe I'm wrong then, but this is what I was led to believe was the case...
It certainly is the case at steps 3/4 anyway.

 

[bester]

I thought there was a recent incident in the PL of the manager in the stands on the phone with the technical area? Am I confusing that with another league?

Are sure it was after a sending-off?

Most bans in England are just touchline bans so they'll be allowed in the stands while serving their touchline suspension.

 

[socal lurker]

Are sure it was after a sending-off?

Yes. It sparked discussion on a U.S. discussion board. As I noted above, the standard in other U.S. sports is that ejected coaches/managers have to leave to the clubhouse and cannot participate in the game. I think that makes more sense.Why should they get to continue participating after the removal—or while suspended, for that matter.

 

[ladbroke8745]

I wouldn’t mind Managers being sent to the stands, but not behind the dug out (perhaps he initially went to the stand before creeping back to the dug out).

I can assure you, camera followed him the whole time, that after being sent off he literally walked through the gate and stood exactly where he is in the photo I attached above.
No creeping or anything.

 

[RustyRef]

I can assure you, camera followed him the whole time, that after being sent off he literally walked through the gate and stood exactly where he is in the photo I attached above.
No creeping or anything.

We don't know what the rule in in League 1, or perhaps the home club officials just didn't deal with it correctly. Once the red card is issued it is pretty much out of the match official's hands, if he came to sit back on the bench they would get involved but if he is in the stand that is out of their remit. I know that in the EPL and EFL it is down to home club officials to ensure that any coach or manager sent off is removed to a suitable area, but I believe they can still watch the game. Whereas at steps 3-4, and possibly 1-2, once shown a red card they have to go somewhere with no view of the pitch.

 

[one]

We don't know what the rule in in League 1, or perhaps the home club officials just didn't deal with it correctly. Once the red card is issued it is pretty much out of the match official's hands, if he came to sit back on the bench they would get involved but if he is in the stand that is out of their remit. I know that in the EPL and EFL it is down to home club officials to ensure that any coach or manager sent off is removed to a suitable area, but I believe they can still watch the game. Whereas at steps 3-4, and possibly 1-2, once shown a red card they have to go somewhere with no view of the pitch.

Don't entirly agree with this. Officials still apply the laws of the game and i assume also responsible for enforcing competition rules.

Law 5: "the referee has the authority, to allow or not to allow any persons (including team or stadium officials, security officers, photographers or other media representatives) to be present in the vicinity of the field of play"

Granted competition laws can define what "vicinity" can mean, the referee is within their right not to restart play until a sent off team official is... well, gone.

 

[RustyRef]

Don't entirly agree with this. Officials still apply the laws of the game and i assume also responsible for enforcing competition rules.

Law 5: "the referee has the authority, to allow or not to allow any persons (including team or stadium officials, security officers, photographers or other media representatives) to be present in the vicinity of the field of play"

Granted competition laws can define what "vicinity" can mean, the referee is within their right not to restart play until a sent off team official is... well, gone.

We don't know what vicinity of the field of play means, I would take that as meaning within the pitch barrier.

 

[one]

We don't know what vicinity of the field of play means

I do

I would take that as meaning within the pitch barrier.

I don't