Liverpool vs Arsenal
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Hence why it would be foul.
Nowhere near a brutal, violent or even aggressive action in the context though. Eyes on the ball, hands just looking for a part of Saka to pull/push out the way.
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It's not too dissimilar for the foul given against Konate to disallow the last minute goal. 100% a foul, but no more.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the report for SFP on this one.
It really lacks the force and isn't too dissimilar to a random hand to face which you also shouldn't do, but is just a foul.
The Chiellini - Saka instance was more interesting to debate, a lot more force on that one and I recall some on here agreeing with red
Player uses some force in both placing hand(s)? around neck AND fouled player lands on the floor. IF the force took Saka to the ground i think red would be justified.
Not sure you can use that as a justification, as most players throw themselves to the floor on feeling the slightest touch.
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As a Liverpool fan I agree this could be carded as even though it's not intentional it looks quite bad. On the other side of the coin - how do we as ref's manage the consistent falling over of opponents for one side when it's obviously playing the referee? Arsenal fell over so many times with the slightest touch - often stopping Liverpool from getting a handle of the match as they were penalised in most 50/50 situations. I don't expect referee's to pre-determine expected players efforts to buy freekicks but its a bit frustating to watch?
My view is that the fact he's squeezing the opponent's windpipe at all is endangering his safety. It's quite possible Saka made the most of it.
If that happened in parks game I was refereeing - where the amount of hands-on "grappling" is admittedly much lower - I would not hesitate to pull out a red. It would 100% be expected.
I’ve now seen many matches where Referees are no longer falling for it (no pun attended
) and therefore correctly allow play to continue in many cases, which makes the player going to ground not only looking a bit silly, but is not helping his team to defend or attack. I think some teams are now getting it and therefore are beginning to stop doing it.Time too for a wider debate about where the "not enough" mantra has led us for pushes, pulls, grabs, and rugby tackles at corners.
You wouldn't be wrong in law.
However, I wouldn't be wrong in law to sin bin somebody for saying "ref, how is that not a foul?!" Am I going to start doing that? Absolutely not.
Being correct in law doesn't always make it the best course of action!
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I see a case for either side.
Yes there is a slight squeeze on the "windpipe" (read the word with the dramatic effect it was intended when first used). In these challenges players do grab one another and by definition any grab involves some degree of squeeze. IMO players generally don't focus on where they are grabbing. As an educated guess I don't think this grab was intended for the neck and he released the squeeze as soon as he realised it is the neck. That doesn't excuse it but the lack of force and quick release somewhat negates the argument for a red card.
Yes there is a slight squeeze on the "windpipe" (read the word with the dramatic effect it was intended when first used
). In these challenges players do grab one another and by definition any grab involves some degree of squeeze. IMO players generally don't focus on where they are grabbing. As an educated guess I don't think this grab was intended for the neck and he released the squeeze as soon as he realised it is the neck. That doesn't excuse it but the lack of force and quick release somewhat negates the argument for a red card.Yeah, that's my take, if you are grappling with someone you don't really know where your arms and hands are going and there will potentially be unintended content with some areas. If someone intentionally grabs someone by the throat with force and prolongs it then obviously that is a red card, but I don't think that is what happened here.I see a case for either side.
Yes there is a slight squeeze on the "windpipe" (read the word with the dramatic effect it was intended when first used
I'm not seeing that in the clip at all. He doesn't release the squeeze, Saka's neck moves away from him.
It's extremely easy to eliminate the risk of grabbing somebody's throat - don't grab them at all. The culture of football in the league I referee is totally different from the PL. It's extremely rare to see a player dive, for example, and grabbing players like that is just not on, even if they avoid the throat.
Yes, but you don't referee in professional football. Grabbing and jostling at corners is taught in training from a young age, it would take years to eradicate it.