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Law change you would make?

The whole point of the penalty area is to discourage fouls near to the goal rather than punish fouls which have stopped a goal scoring opportunity. Of course it's shape and dimensions are arbitrary but any shaped penalty would be the same.

The penalty area does it's job and there's nothing wrong with it.
 
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JamesL said:
Could you imagine the old geezers trying to draw that on a grassroots pitch lol.
They struggle with straight lines as is.
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It seems weird, but the ellipse would be easier. Just need a stick in the ground nine yards out from each goalpost, make a loop of rope the right size, and as long as the loop is pulled tight between the sticks and your marker, it's perfect.
 
Nij said:
It seems weird, but the ellipse would be easier. Just need a stick in the ground nine yards out from each goalpost, make a loop of rope the right size, and as long as the loop is pulled tight between the sticks and your marker, it's perfect.
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Right idea but need to get the peg placement and rope length right to get the right shape and size ellipse.
Here is an updated image with sizes.

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one said:
Right idea but need to get the peg placement and rope length right to get the right shape and size ellipse.
Here is an updated image with sizes.

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The exact width of the foci will only affect the height of the ellipse and the rope length gives the width, it's slightly more straightforward to say "X distance out from the goalposts with rope of length Y" is all.
Probably would be simpler to round the numbers at 14 yards each side of centre, 9 yards out, 45 yard rope.
What are the area-conserving measurements though?
 
Nij said:
The exact width of the foci will only affect the height of the ellipse and the rope length gives the width, it's slightly more straightforward to say "X distance out from the goalposts with rope of length Y" is all.
Probably would be simpler to round the numbers at 14 yards each side of centre, 9 yards out, 45 yard rope.
What are the area-conserving measurements though?
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Nij said:
The exact width of the foci will only affect the height of the ellipse and the rope length gives the width, it's slightly more straightforward to say "X distance out from the goalposts with rope of length Y" is all.
Probably would be simpler to round the numbers at 14 yards each side of centre, 9 yards out, 45 yard rope.
What are the area-conserving measurements though?
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Keeping the rope length at 44 will mean the width of the ellipse would be the same as the current width of the PA.

However the more important point here is to have the top of the ellipse running over the the top of the current arc so that it will be ten yards away from the penalty spot. This makes those numbers a functiin of eachother. So if you 'choose' one as a round number, you have to change the other accordingly to get the above right. It won't necessarily be a round number.

So in your example if you choose the foci to be 9 yards away from the goal line then they would have to be 12.45 yards away from the centre for a 44 yard rope (or 13.16 for 45 rope).

The maths is only done once. The grounds keeper will only have to know rope length and the distances for the pegs.
 
one said:
Keeping the rope length at 44 will mean the width of the ellipse would be the same as the current width of the PA.

However the more important point here is to have the top of the ellipse running over the the top of the current arc so that it will be ten yards away from the penalty spot. This makes those numbers a functiin of eachother. So if you 'choose' one as a round number, you have to change the other accordingly to get the above right. It won't necessarily be a round number.

So in your example if you choose the foci to be 9 yards away from the goal line then they would have to be 12.45 yards away from the centre for a 44 yard rope (or 13.16 for 45 rope).

The maths is only done once. The grounds keeper will only have to know rope length and the distances for the pegs.
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I think we have finally crossed over into the impact of coronavirus on football (referees) with this now 🤣🤣🤣
 
This one might sound a bit crazy at first but hear me out: replace the six second rule with a zero second rule. This means that goalkeepers can use their hands to block, punch, slap,... the ball but they cannot catch and hold onto the ball.

Why?
- It'll stop time-wasting through lenient enforcement of the 6 second rule.
- It can clear up grey areas in the backpass rule. (In fact, the backpass rule can be removed.)
 
Throw ins can be done with a foot off the ground, with one or two hands, from over the head or under the legs. Maybe the player could roll it out like a goalkeeper too?

Hell, make throw-ins now become kick-ins. I bet we'll see some more goals! David Beckham type players would be in demand again as everyone looks to whip crosses in from out wide.
 
If a dropped ball is to a team, replace it with either a goal kick (if in PA) or a throw in from the nearest touch line.

Gets rid of the 4 meter problem. Also means referee can't get caught out of place with a hoof of the ball after it is dropped.
 
RobOda said:
Throw ins can be done with a foot off the ground, with one or two hands, from over the head or under the legs. Maybe the player could roll it out like a goalkeeper too?

Hell, make throw-ins now become kick-ins. I bet we'll see some more goals! David Beckham type players would be in demand again as everyone looks to whip crosses in from out wide.
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Lightweight gloves to be mandatory for all players
 
one said:
If a dropped ball is to a team, replace it with either a goal kick (if in PA) or a throw in from the nearest touch line.

Gets rid of the 4 meter problem. Also means referee can't get caught out of place with a hoof of the ball after it is dropped.
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Why does the referee have to drop the ball for a dropped ball now? Maybe that could be a change to stop the referee getting caught out
 
RobOda said:
Just make it an IDFK?
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I’d extend that and bin the IDFK otherwise. Except for the back pass it’s an irrelevance (as I have posted similar before). So many free kicks go short or square nowadays there’s little distinction between the two.
 
Players should be free to take any restart from behind/wider than the designated position.

Legitimises the quick throw-in/quick FK from further back that we all know happens but never want to penalise because it would cause uproar. It would also allow players to adjust free kicks to actually be an effective punishment - right now if you can give a FK away right on the edge of the PA, almost no player can score it and most would prefer to move back 5 yards.
 
JamesL said:
Why does the referee have to drop the ball for a dropped ball now? Maybe that could be a change to stop the referee getting caught out
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A dropped ball is meant to be a neutral restart. Allowing players to drop it (or converting it to any other restart like goal kick, TI or IFK) can work if it has to be on the referee's signal to make sure the opponents are ready for the restart. I don't like players dropping it because it then becomes a drop punt, in many cases it is not a neutral restart. Similar for a IFK. Goal kicks or a TI's however are far closer to a neutral restart.
 
one said:
A dropped ball is meant to be a neutral restart. Allowing players to drop it (or converting it to any other restart like goal kick, TI or IFK) can work if it has to be on the referee's signal to make sure the opponents are ready for the restart. I don't like players dropping it because it then becomes a drop punt, in many cases it is not a neutral restart. Similar for a IFK. Goal kicks or a TI's however are far closer to a neutral restart.
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Unfortunately, I think the concept of drop ball being neutral went out the window with the latest update. You can make it difficult to score direct from, but as soon as you're giving the ball to one team and enforcing the other team being a certain distance away, it isn't a neutral restart any more.
 
GraemeS said:
Unfortunately, I think the concept of drop ball being neutral went out the window with the latest update. You can make it difficult to score direct from, but as soon as you're giving the ball to one team and enforcing the other team being a certain distance away, it isn't a neutral restart any more.
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It's a lot more neutral than an IFK from the same place.

In the US, high school soccer makes its own rules and for a long time used an IFK instead of DB any time a team had possession. The downside was that in the attacking third or so, instead of being neutral, the IFK-in-place-of-DB creates a scoring opportunity that did not exist.
 
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