PinnerPaul
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Law change you would make?
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Ciley Myrus
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Agree with the cheating terminology... obviously
However, we know that retrospective bans and so on will never happen because the players can do what they like & the sponsors need them on the FOP
Sheff is right, it happens here, granted not the same global attraction and nobody even knows who Hamiltons no7 is, far less worry about whether he plays next week.
Certainly in the EPL its like a trophy, to be awarded a pen for diving, and, of course, the players fans lap it up.....until of course it happens to them, then its outrageous..
All part of the Soap Opera of modern elite football. The football world has a love affair with cheating. It's not really vilified by the younger audience, just part of the entertainment now. And the 24/7 news channels thrive off it, so it ain't going anywhere IMO
Ciley Myrus
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If nothing else the BBC showing older games certainly shows us a totally different sport.
Just wait for the outcry in the next spitting incident. Suddenly it will be a very serious misdemeanour. Reputations will be shot. Diving should be the same and engineered out by cumulative bans
I've heard some talk that spitting will not be allowed, full stop. No doubt an idea dreamt up by someone who has never exercised!
As someone else has said though, even with VAR it can take two minutes to decide if it is a penalty or not. As a referee you get one glance, not necessarily from the best angle, and have to make a call on that. With a caution almost all referees will need to be as close to possible to 100% to give a caution as they are accusing the player of cheating, change that to a red card and you have to be 100% certain. And there in lies the problem, how many times have we seen players cautioned for simulation when it should have been a penalty, there have been a lot. The outcry from these dies down not long after the game, less so if the player has been incorrectly sent off and it completely changed the game.
Perhaps it could be a red if VAR is in operation, but then you have the issue of different laws at different levels. Retrospective red cards is the answer for me, two game ban for the first simulation offence, four for the second, six for the third, and so on. It will soon stamp it out, but also needs the authorities to be strong in retrospectively issuing the sanctions.
I think in many years refereeing I've had two cautions for simulation, and they were both so obvious it met that 100% certainty factor. There have been lots of others where it has crossed my mind, but not strong enough to do anything other than turn down the penalty appeal.
LothianRef
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Absolutely. It was a different type of refereeing back then as well. I watched the 1991 Scottish Cup Final a few weeks ago - there was only 1 or 2 cautions, but there would’ve been many more today.
PinnerPaul
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'Different' is a good way of putting it - I saw review of QPR's 75/76 season and on more than one occasion players got away without even a 'booking',as it was called then, for striking another player!
Ciley Myrus
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kick ins?
Any type throw, i.e, underarm bowling method?
What about a kick on basis it goes back the way?
it does seem a bit strange that the game is kicking the ball, occasionally heading it ( for now!',) and we penalise hand ball, but the players need to throw the ball back on, its kinda out of synch with the rest of the game
The myth that all 70s 80s footballs were all thugs is still out there. There were idiots but it all added to the entertainment. Some of this stale defensive 0-0 rubbish we are served up today isn’t that good either. I’m not saying allowing leg breakers but the threshold for cards these days is pretty pathetic...
Ciley Myrus
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imo a lot of cards today are for technical fouls, which would not have got a card years ago
The games changed to protecting the players who are simply fouled because they are better than their opponent
Clearly different under global scrutiny, but at grass roots, barring the aforementioned leg breaker, see if you are neutral, and, consistent, I dont think there can be too many arguements.
That's a good shout. As an assistant, I'm often asked to essentially watch 3 places at once on a throw in - drop zone, offside line (for my position and flick-on's obviously, before anyone tries to get smart!) and the feet of the thrower. In reality, we pick one, maybe 2 of those and hope nothing too dramatic happens at the other. I'd be a lot happier if we all just agreed to not care about a thrower's feet.
I agree with all these apart from no 4. Sometimes I think we look at what is best for referees, as opposed to what is best for the game. I dont think anyone in football wants to see rebounds removed from the game. I know we've complicated penalties and made them messy with the introduction of VAR, but that is secondary, like all laws, to the entertainment/game itself. We shouldn't be altering a historical element of the game just because we've made it messy by introducing VAR to the process.
Football wouldn't want to remove rebounds imo.
Kick ins sound interesting. Might result in a few more goals if they are pumped into the box Rory Delap style.
Why not 3 x 30 minutes, 7.5minute breaks, no difference in time, football has changed game lengths over the years!
Commercially a good idea. More Newcy Brown 'n' bugers
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