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mctones

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Incident on Sunday, player makes a careless foul (no more) near to opposing team officials. One of the team officials, young lady assistant coach, asked the player to calm down. Player turns round and makes a comment to her about her weight and she should go to weight watchers.

I cautioned him for this, but it has been niggling me since the match, was it actually meeting the bar of abusive language and a sending off?

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mctones said:
Hi All

Incident on Sunday, player makes a careless foul (no more) near to opposing team officials. One of the team officials, young lady assistant coach, asked the player to calm down. Player turns round and makes a comment to her about her weight and she should go to weight watchers.

I cautioned him for this, but it has been niggling me since the match, was it actually meeting the bar of abusive language and a sending off?

Thanks
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I'm about to ask a similar question! I'd say it's insulting and maybe abusive which would warrant a red but then again I hear "fat ****" all the time on Sunday league pitches to no reply
 
I think I'd be looking carefully at the response from the coach to see which way I go with this. In my head I'd be leaning towards red as it can meet the definition of insulting and abusive, but if the coach laughed it off (genuinely laughed off) then probably would stick with the yellow.
As @OnlyUseMeWhistle says, I think it can also depend on what you've let go on the pitch already - otherwise you are at risk of losing control.
 
davlon said:
I think I'd be looking carefully at the response from the coach to see which way I go with this. In my head I'd be leaning towards red as it can meet the definition of insulting and abusive, but if the coach laughed it off (genuinely laughed off) then probably would stick with the yellow.
As @OnlyUseMeWhistle says, I think it can also depend on what you've let go on the pitch already - otherwise you are at risk of losing control.
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Good point re: how they take it. Once had a GK of team A call the striker of team B a "F*cking idiot" and they both laughed, however the manager after the game was fuming I let that go with a stern look and a firm use of the players name
 
It is insulting and offennsvie. In the context mentioned in OP it sounds like to insult was also the intent in opposed to being banter.

While I won't rule out looking at the recipient's reaction, you'd have to be careful there. Sometimes they deliberately overreact to send the opponent off. And sometimes event though they are hurt and offended, they don't show it as to not concede defeat in the war of words. Kind of like players in a reckless tackle, some act as if they have been shot to get the opponent sent off, some jump straight up to show they are tough.
 
one said:
It is insulting and offennsvie. In the context mentioned in OP it sounds like to insult was also the intent in opposed to being banter.

While I won't rule out looking at the recipient's reaction, you'd have to be careful there. Sometimes they deliberately overreact to send the opponent off. And sometimes event though they are hurt and offended, they don't show it as to not concede defeat in the war of words. Kind of like players in a reckless tackle, some act as if they have been shot to get the opponent sent off, some jump straight up to show they are tough.
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Agreed, I think 99 times out of 100 it's going to be a red.
 
These are difficult today.

You run a huge risk of someone else reporting it, then, you as referee being asked for your input.
 
OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
Good point re: how they take it. Once had a GK of team A call the striker of team B a "F*cking idiot" and they both laughed, however the manager after the game was fuming I let that go with a stern look and a firm use of the players name
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This is a little different to OP. OP has taken a personal characteristic and used that to abuse them.
Whilst your example could be offinabus it's not as clear cut as the OP imo.
 
ok, i'll say it

is anyone seriously sending a player off for using this phrase in their match? I've heard players and coaches say all sorts to the opposition players and coaches, all easily falls under offinabus...they'll get a stern rebuke/warning and then we move on. sending off for this sort of offence would be a massive shock imo
 
es1 said:
ok, i'll say it

is anyone seriously sending a player off for using this phrase in their match? I've heard players and coaches say all sorts to the opposition players and coaches, all easily falls under offinabus...they'll get a stern rebuke/warning and then we move on. sending off for this sort of offence would be a massive shock imo
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Good, we are too soft on abuse.
 
es1 said:
ok, i'll say it

is anyone seriously sending a player off for using this phrase in their match? I've heard players and coaches say all sorts to the opposition players and coaches, all easily falls under offinabus...they'll get a stern rebuke/warning and then we move on. sending off for this sort of offence would be a massive shock imo
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Correct, Akin to urinating in the ocean.

Absolutely nothing to be gained by being that one ref

it is a minefield though as all it takes is the player, or anyone, to escalate it, then you as referee are in the dock, facing modules etc, for ignoring it
 
Anubis said:
Correct, Akin to urinating in the ocean.

Absolutely nothing to be gained by being that one ref

it is a minefield though as all it takes is the player, or anyone, to escalate it, then you as referee are in the dock, facing modules etc, for ignoring it
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I'd rather be that one ref, honestly I think we have a responsibility too. Read too many stories of blokes leaving football they did for fun because it was endless fat jibes. Abuse effects players and officials too.
 
OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
I'd rather be that one ref, honestly I think we have a responsibility too. Read too many stories of blokes leaving football they did for fun because it was endless fat jibes. Abuse effects players and officials too.
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Then I trust you are sending off for everything which " could" be offensive

obv being, "skinny xxxxx"
 
Anubis said:
Then I trust you are sending off for everything which " could" be offensive

cant just choose
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I think the "insulting and abusive" parts are more clear cut. A jib at someone's weight is arguably leaning into ableism, but even if it isn't calling someone a fatty or a fat **** is insulting unless they're mates. Not hard
 
OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
I think the "insulting and abusive" parts are more clear cut. A jib at someone's weight is arguably leaning into ableism, but even if it isn't calling someone a fatty or a fat **** is insulting unless they're mates. Not hard
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so just to clarify, you are sending off for, " skinny bxxxxxx"

glad we cleared that up
 
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