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IFAB changes for 26-27

This will make a big difference, Arsenal along with many clubs run the clock down at the end of the match.

45 seconds for throw ins and goal kicks.

Simon Hooper should be cautioning for delaying the restart, albeit he added 7 mins plus an extra 2.5 mins, but the fans want to get home 🙈

Law 15 – The Throw-in

• Use of a five-second visual countdown when a player/team is delaying the taking of a throw-in.
 
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CaptainsPlease said:
There is no change to sending off offences, although it could result in fewer second cautions. The DOGSO change means a player will no longer be cautioned following a goal scored after advantage.
i.e. it will now be
DOGSO offence, no advantage, free kick awarded = sending off
DOGSO deliberate handball or foul with no attempt/challenge for the ball, no advantage, penalty kick awarded = sending off
DOGSO non-deliberate handball or foul with attempt/challenge for the ball, no advantage, penalty kick awarded = caution
DOGSO offence, advantage played with no goal scored as a result = caution
DOGSO offence, advantage played with goal scored as a result = no sanction
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Oh you can see it now...
As these will be implemented at the world cup too, sometime during game round 1 on a social network page full of armchair refs, I bring you "that should be a 2nd yellow. [Insert player/team] was affected on some random date in March with a 2nd yellow. Its just a conspiracy to keep this player on and/or win the world cup" followed by showing clips of the "exact" same incident, in their eyes, in the rest of their post from a game in 2024.
Then saying refs have no clue and it's corruption.
 
bester said:
www.bbc.co.uk

World Cup 2026: Goalkeeper tactical timeouts banned

Players at the 2026 World Cup will be stopped from going to the technical area to talk to coaches when goalkeepers are injured.
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‘The officials will be responsible for enforcing the rule but Collina said there will be no yellow cards or disciplinary action for players who do try to go over and speak to the coach’

How are they expected to enforce it with no disciplinary action?
 
Collina asked for protocol to be updated so the VAR could step in if a foul occurred before the ball was in play.

There have been several examples, such as a goal scored by England in their 1-1 draw against Uruguay at Wembley in March.

Cole Palmer delivered a corner into the area, but before the ball was kicked Adam Wharton blocked the run of Jose Maria Gimenez.

That allowed the ball to run through to Harvey Barnes, who saw his effort saved by Fernando Muslera, and Ben White tapped in from close range.

VAR protocol did not previously allow a review for a foul before a corner has been taken, but the Italian asked Ifab for permission to change this.

The Ifab has now accepted the request, and says that any foul before the ball is in play that has a direct impact can be reviewed.

This will apply to a goal, penalty kick or disciplinary sanction which happens on a corner or free-kick.

The measure will be applied for the World Cup and reassessed after the tournament.

It means that for the England goal, the VAR would be able to suggest a retake of the corner because of the foul by Wharton on Gimenez.

"We think this is very unfair, that the goal is given when the defender is prevented from being able to defend," Collina said.

"A clear, illegal block made by an attacker. The only objective was to prevent the defender from being able to defend on his opponent.

But attackers blocking defenders is fair?
 
Pembroke said:
Collina asked for protocol to be updated so the VAR could step in if a foul occurred before the ball was in play.

There have been several examples, such as a goal scored by England in their 1-1 draw against Uruguay at Wembley in March.

Cole Palmer delivered a corner into the area, but before the ball was kicked Adam Wharton blocked the run of Jose Maria Gimenez.

That allowed the ball to run through to Harvey Barnes, who saw his effort saved by Fernando Muslera, and Ben White tapped in from close range.

VAR protocol did not previously allow a review for a foul before a corner has been taken, but the Italian asked Ifab for permission to change this.

The Ifab has now accepted the request, and says that any foul before the ball is in play that has a direct impact can be reviewed.

This will apply to a goal, penalty kick or disciplinary sanction which happens on a corner or free-kick.

The measure will be applied for the World Cup and reassessed after the tournament.

It means that for the England goal, the VAR would be able to suggest a retake of the corner because of the foul by Wharton on Gimenez.

"We think this is very unfair, that the goal is given when the defender is prevented from being able to defend," Collina said.

"A clear, illegal block made by an attacker. The only objective was to prevent the defender from being able to defend on his opponent.

But attackers blocking defenders is fair?
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Did you mean defenders blocking attackers is fair? If that happens, a penalty can be awarded, of course, if it continues with the ball in play.
I think that's Collina's point.
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
Did you mean defenders blocking attackers is fair? If that happens, a penalty can be awarded, of course, if it continues with the ball in play.
I think that's Collina's point.
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Thank you. I found it quite complex to read. At my level players will still be waltzing with each other before the ball is in play.
 
Pembroke said:
Thank you. I found it quite complex to read. At my level players will still be waltzing with each other before the ball is in play.
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If anything this would encourage defenders to do more. VAR can't intervene for anything they do before the corner is taken (obviously not counting violent conduct) but they can for the attackers. Naturally if you grab the attacker they'll probably do something to break free (push/pull/grab) and now if a goal is scored...
 
Noticed quite a few times last night in the Mexico game players that were down 'injured' managed to run off those injuries instead of needing a physio on and taking more time - definitely sped things up, but, one argument may be that players shouldn't have to 'run' things off but I suppose that's why if you are genuinely injured you can have a minute on the side getting better!
 
betterlatethannever said:
Noticed quite a few times last night in the Mexico game players that were down 'injured' managed to run off those injuries instead of needing a physio on and taking more time - definitely sped things up, but, one argument may be that players shouldn't have to 'run' things off but I suppose that's why if you are genuinely injured you can have a minute on the side getting better!
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Agree, pretty certain that players would have asked for treatment without the law change. And there’s no doubt that the throw-in and goal kick changes are massively speeding the game up.
 
I quite liked the law changes being enforced last night. The players were clearly understanding of the consequences, and the game seemed to flow quite nicely without excessive delays. Hopefully it keeps being fully enforced and then the game will become a lot less frustrating to watch, particularly with certain teams who will have to change tactics.
 
Agree but there isn't really any treatment for little knock that can be run off anyway.
Physio comes on checks a load of stuff he probably doesn't need to.
Players know when they are actually injured and so need an assessment/treatment and that is the only time we should be having the physio on
 
JamesL said:
Agree but there isn't really any treatment for little knock that can be run off anyway.
Physio comes on checks a load of stuff he probably doesn't need to.
Players know when they are actually injured and so need an assessment/treatment and that is the only time we should be having the physio on
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Yea I agree, and that is what (so far) it seems to be good for. One particular instance a Mexico player was down indicating a dead leg - pre law change this would have meant a physio coming on, spraying the area, then the player jumping up, walking off and screaming to come back on. This time he just got up (albeit after a little rolling around) and carried on!
 
"Advantage
• allows play to continue when an offence occurs, or a restart is incorrectly
taken and the ball is in play, and the opposing team will benefit from the
advantage, and penalises the offence/orders a retake if the anticipated
advantage does not ensue at that time or within a few seconds
"

If a team takes a free kick, then if the ball was rolling we can play advantage?
 
bester said:
"Advantage
• allows play to continue when an offence occurs, or a restart is incorrectly
taken and the ball is in play, and the opposing team will benefit from the
advantage, and penalises the offence/orders a retake if the anticipated
advantage does not ensue at that time or within a few seconds
"

If a team takes a free kick, then if the ball was rolling we can play advantage?
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I had this same problem and more in post #24 of this thread. I think this is a really poor change to the laws.

one said:
Law 5,
Advantage on incorrectly taken restart - This is opening a can of worms as the restart laws are not 'properly' defined to accommodate it. There will be many more changes to come. What is an "incorrectly taken restart" for each restart? They are open to a variety of conflicting interpretations. The criteria for ball being in play is independent of the rest of the procedures. For example, on kick off which of these can we play advantage on (there are many other scenarios just on kick off)
- Ball is kicked and clearly moves but team mates are on the wrong half of the field
- Ball is kicked and clearly moves but the ball was not stationary at the time of the kick
- Ball is kicked and clearly moves but the ball was placed 10m away from the centre mark
- Ball is kicked and clearly moves but referee had not signalled yet.

Some other restarts will become even more complex
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Dropped ball is one the other complex restarts.
 
Another thing I noticed from the Portugal game,
A player down injured, Fernandes had the ball and was shouting at the ref to stop the game because of an injury (he was fine by the way). The ref was shouting for him to put it out.

I believe that if the referee had stopped the game for the injury, regardless of whether the player had treatment, the player must go off for one minute as the game was stopped for them.

Portugal put it out for a throw and as it was a natural stop and the player got up after a few seconds he remained on.

Will be interesting for me on a Saturday and Sunday morning explaining that one!
 
betterlatethannever said:
Another thing I noticed from the Portugal game,
A player down injured, Fernandes had the ball and was shouting at the ref to stop the game because of an injury (he was fine by the way). The ref was shouting for him to put it out.

I believe that if the referee had stopped the game for the injury, regardless of whether the player had treatment, the player must go off for one minute as the game was stopped for them.

Portugal put it out for a throw and as it was a natural stop and the player got up after a few seconds he remained on.

Will be interesting for me on a Saturday and Sunday morning explaining that one!
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I don’t think that’s correct (although I stand to be corrected)
The referee stopping the game for an injury doesn’t mean the player needs to leave the field, it’s if the physio enters the field.
Many referees if stopping the game will automatically call for the physio though, as if the injury isn’t that bad, they shouldn’t have stopped it.
 
RefereeX said:
I don’t think that’s correct (although I stand to be corrected)
The referee stopping the game for an injury doesn’t mean the player needs to leave the field, it’s if the physio enters the field.
Many referees if stopping the game will automatically call for the physio though, as if the injury isn’t that bad, they shouldn’t have stopped it.
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I think it is new for this year, at least that is how I read it!

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So it just needs one of those bullet points for the player to go off?
 
betterlatethannever said:
I think it is new for this year, at least that is how I read it!

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So it just needs one of those bullet points for the player to go off?
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And I am corrected. It certainly does read that way.

Either way, in the scenario you describe, I think if I did stop play I'd be calling the physio on immediately. You want it stopping, you have treatment, not just a rest.
 
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