Hamrun Vs NSI
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I mean it's impossible for us to tell from here, conclusively, that the ball was out of play but in the absence of any indications from the refereeing team the problem lies squarely with the players imo.
Factually if the ball was in or out is a sideshow here because sometimes we get decisions wrong. It is not for the players to decide. They need to be more aware of what decisions have been made, or not, and not handle the ball in the penalty area.
Factually if the ball was in or out is a sideshow here because sometimes we get decisions wrong. It is not for the players to decide. They need to be more aware of what decisions have been made, or not, and not handle the ball in the penalty area.
This still appears to show the ball being out but it is far from conclusive. A ball that's in would look very clearly out from this angle so there's no way I would hang my hat on very clearly out.
It's likely, but not clearly.
And as I said it's very much a sideshow to the main cause of the issue presented in the clip
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A little more conclusive on the zoom but but schoolboy error from players play the whistle.
Give the context and the way handball happened (unchallenged), I'd give the goal kick, it is the most likely correct decision and the easiest to sell. And even if it is the wrong decision, it is the least 'bad' of giving a wrong penalty or giving a wrong goal kick.
Give the context and the way handball happened (unchallenged), I'd give the goal kick, it is the most likely correct decision and the easiest to sell. And even if it is the wrong decision, it is the least 'bad' of giving a wrong penalty or giving a wrong goal kick.
Yes, I learned a long time ago that you don't NEED to see something to give it
The AR should get his flag up, the moment the player touches the ball. The AR would know it's probably out (despite having an obscured view) and the player's entirely innocent actions confirm this as true. After all, the players could clearly see
Read the room, it's obvious what happened, gamble with all the odds in your favour and swim with a strong current as opposed to against it.
As I've said in another post the other day, sod the process (the process is brainwashing), gamble on the right outcome with all the odds in you're favour
I tend to agree with you on this incident (though in the frames before the player touched the ball the AR wasn’t even in the frame/not close to being in line with the goal-line, but your point is still valid). Would your view/logic change if the ball was crossing the goal-line for a goal/no goal (albeit presumably in this game there was goal-line technology)?
Every incident is different and may merit a different outcome
I frequently see referees (level 3's in my case) entirely wedded to process, credibility and anything they've been taught in a classroom environment. That mindset leaves them very short of options when rare or novel incidents occur in games. We don't have any form of technology to determine the 'right' outcome, therefore when strange things happen, the definition of 'right' is different for us. In our games, 'right' (in my book) is anything that leads to the 'right' outcome in terms of fairness and equity to both sides because that is likely the 'right' outcome for the match officials too.
The incident (in our games without technology), is similar to not knowing which way to give a throw in (which happens at least once a game). The tried and tested 'right' thing to do, is give it to the side that picks the ball up or runs after it. The players tell us what the 'right' decision is. Which is exactly what happened in the video clip above
I make all this sound easy, but it isn't. The referee needs to be comfortable and confident in which ever game they're officiating. Only then can we quickly think outside the box. Being utterly wedded to process is the biggest hinderance in these unforeseeable scenarios
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And we know (more often than not) when they (players) try to fool us by knowingly going for a ball which is not theirs. Or sometimes when they are genuine but mistaken.
The OP is clearly not the former and very unlikely the latter. What I dont like is the way the penalty was given felt more like the defenders were being punished for not playing the whistle more so than for the handball itself. Kind of like, I know the ball had gone out of play but I didn't blow the whistle and now I 'gotcha'!
