The Ref Stop

Hamrun Vs NSI

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I mean it's impossible for us to tell from here, conclusively, that the ball was out of play but in the absence of any indications from the refereeing team the problem lies squarely with the players imo.

Factually if the ball was in or out is a sideshow here because sometimes we get decisions wrong. It is not for the players to decide. They need to be more aware of what decisions have been made, or not, and not handle the ball in the penalty area.
 
It's very clearly out but your point about player reactions still stands. Assistants view would have likely been blocked by the body

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It's very clearly out but your point about player reactions still stands. Assistants view would have likely been blocked by the body

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This still appears to show the ball being out but it is far from conclusive. A ball that's in would look very clearly out from this angle so there's no way I would hang my hat on very clearly out.
It's likely, but not clearly.
And as I said it's very much a sideshow to the main cause of the issue presented in the clip
 
A little more conclusive on the zoom but but schoolboy error from players play the whistle.

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Give the context and the way handball happened (unchallenged), I'd give the goal kick, it is the most likely correct decision and the easiest to sell. And even if it is the wrong decision, it is the least 'bad' of giving a wrong penalty or giving a wrong goal kick.
 
A little more conclusive on the zoom but but schoolboy error from players play the whistle.

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Give the context and the way handball happened (unchallenged), I'd give the goal kick, it is the most likely correct decision and the easiest to sell. And even if it is the wrong decision, it is the least 'bad' of giving a wrong penalty or giving a wrong goal kick.
Try telling the team denied a penalty that! And would take some quick thinking.

Not disagreeing with you, necessarily, btw
 
A little more conclusive on the zoom but but schoolboy error from players play the whistle.

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Give the context and the way handball happened (unchallenged), I'd give the goal kick, it is the most likely correct decision and the easiest to sell. And even if it is the wrong decision, it is the least 'bad' of giving a wrong penalty or giving a wrong goal kick.
Yes, I learned a long time ago that you don't NEED to see something to give it
The AR should get his flag up, the moment the player touches the ball. The AR would know it's probably out (despite having an obscured view) and the player's entirely innocent actions confirm this as true. After all, the players could clearly see
Read the room, it's obvious what happened, gamble with all the odds in your favour and swim with a strong current as opposed to against it.
As I've said in another post the other day, sod the process (the process is brainwashing), gamble on the right outcome with all the odds in you're favour
 
Yes, I learned a long time ago that you don't NEED to see something to give it
The AR should get his flag up, the moment the player touches the ball. The AR would know it's probably out (despite having an obscured view) and the player's entirely innocent actions confirm this as true. After all, the players could clearly see
Read the room, it's obvious what happened, gamble with all the odds in your favour and swim with a strong current as opposed to against it.
As I've said in another post the other day, sod the process (the process is brainwashing), gamble on the right outcome with all the odds in you're favour
I tend to agree with you on this incident (though in the frames before the player touched the ball the AR wasn’t even in the frame/not close to being in line with the goal-line, but your point is still valid). Would your view/logic change if the ball was crossing the goal-line for a goal/no goal (albeit presumably in this game there was goal-line technology)?
 
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