Why would you be unhappy? If I were the referee and I thought you were being over sensitive by the comment I'd caution
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Why would you be unhappy? If I were the referee and I thought you were being over sensitive by the comment I'd caution
Padfoot
The Persecuted One
Oh Christ......does this really need explaining again?
Words, phrases and gestures can be offensive, insulting or abusive by their design, intent, or content, without the need for the referee to actually feel offended etc......
This is really a basic principle of any language.......
The easiest cop out from referees who don't deal with S6 properly is to say 'Well I didn't feel......'
Just put the game into the Whole game system, add disciplinary report, add red card, add the players name, drop down for S7 and add the two cautions, have a play.
Padfoot
The Persecuted One
Because it's a clear case of S6 and the player should be walking......if the referee wasn't strong enough to deal with it, I would be unhappy as it leaves me open to further abuse and no confidence in the ref to deal with it.
Yes. OFINABUS doesn't become right just because you're smiling.
Okay, good luck with that.
I will fully support any assistant, whether they are right or wrong on an honest decision they've made, but if I were to every be put in a situation like that I'd make my own judgment.
I have plenty of luck with it because I make it clear at start that it is not tolerated towards me or club linesmen.
So if someone says to you 'oh wise up ref you roger hunt' but with a smile on their face is that ok?
Players, like children, like clear cut boundaries.
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
Lets at least discuss this like grown ups.
The LOTG dont say "if the referee is OFF IN or ABUS" it is any gesture or term, hence s6
The LOTG dont say "if the referee is OFF IN or ABUS" it is any gesture or term, hence s6
That's slightly different to what I've said but again, depends on the context and how I felt about the comment at the time as to what action i'd take.
But player's aren't children so shouldn't be treated like them.
Personally, I think you've done the right thing. By law, yes it's a red. But you allowed common sense to prevail. Players at that level have swearing listed as their second language. In regards to your match control, a straight red could have caused havoc, players at that level do not expect straight reds for the odd swear word, a yellow is understandable. Then for opposition you would have given them what they wanted by reducing the offending side to 10 men. Everyone can feel like they've not been hard done by and you retain your match control.
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
Here we go. So because of "match control" you are going to invent your own laws?
If LWR sent off for S6 correctly, we wouldnt have the players that dont EXPECT a red for offensive insulting or abusive language!!!!!
Yeah, if you have no match control you're running a very dangerous game that could back fire and bite you in the arse.
If you want to give out 6 reds a game then so be it, you'll be crucified and hated at any level you officiate. Refereeing is just as much about common sense as it is following a set of objective laws.
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
Thats an excuse not to implement the LOTG is it? I assure you if everyone implemented it properly you wouldnt HAVE to play these games for "match control"
ITs the referees that DODGE the LOTG and make weak excuses like that that cause the issue in the first place!
FWIW sounds to me like you handled it well. They way you've described your thought process sounds pretty sensible to me, and the fact that you're going looking for alternative opinions is sensible too.
You were the referee, and it's your opinion that matters. I think you've handled this well. It's worth thinking about what the player could have done differently that would (in your opinion) have warranted a straight red, and also whether there are any circumstances where you might feel that you could have handled this with a last-chance telling off instead. That will help you prepare for dealing with this or something similar in the future.
For me though there's no need to second guess yourself on this.
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
Ive only had 1 S6 all season. Thats just chance that ive only had to deal with it once. To say it would be 6 cards a game is frankly ridiculous and a childish argument and once again, if referees dealt with OFFINABUS correctly in the first place, it would slowly peter off and you wouldnt NEED to send off very often at all as players would learn!
So you're saying you've only heard a player swear in 1 of your 16 games? Likely...
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
Im done. You cant even grasp the basic concept of what I am saying, so Im not going to host a debate with you.
IVe never once said swearing. I am talking about OFFINABUS. Would you like someone to explain the difference?
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