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GraemeS said:
That's not the statement I was referring to
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In fairness it is at least part of what you quoted.

Whilst I agree Oliver isn't having his best season, people way more qualified than you or I must be happy with him as he is still getting big games from both PGMOL and UEFA. Referees can go through bad spells, just as players do, but that doesn't take away from him being one of the top referees England has ever produced. He dropped an absolute clanger yesterday, fortunately one that VAR was able to correct, but most referees do throughout their career.
 
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What's really annoying me today, is pundits and supporters that are saying "im sure he didn't mean to hurt Mateta" etc. Well sorry, that's rubbish ! If you attempt to play a ball that high with your foot, you know full well it could make contact with his head and cause a nasty injury.
 
BCMilan said:
What's really annoying me today, is pundits and supporters that are saying "im sure he didn't mean to hurt Mateta" etc. Well sorry, that's rubbish ! If you attempt to play a ball that high with your foot, you know full well it could make contact with his head and cause a nasty injury.
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Did he intend kicking his opponent in the head? No only psychos do that. So, no the players has not meant to hurt his opponent. I had a tooth knocked out, my top lip stitched where my bottom teeth went through it and extensive dental work done post kick in the face playing football, that player didn't mean to kick me in the face either, and I doubt if the risk of what could happen came into his head, it certainly did not enter mine.

Players frequently do things without thinking about the consequences and do not know full well what may happen, and that's the refs job to manage it.
 
Pembroke said:
Did he intend kicking his opponent in the head? No only psychos do that. So, no the players has not meant to hurt his opponent. I had a tooth knocked out, my top lip stitched where my bottom teeth went through it and extensive dental work done post kick in the face playing football, that player didn't mean to kick me in the face either, and I doubt if the risk of what could happen came into his head, it certainly did not enter mine.

Players frequently do things without thinking about the consequences and do not know full well what may happen, and that's the refs job to manage it.
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I totally disagree, i'm afraid. In my opinion, he knew full well it was endangering the safety of the opponent by having his foot that high
 
RustyRef said:
In fairness it is at least part of what you quoted.

Whilst I agree Oliver isn't having his best season, people way more qualified than you or I must be happy with him as he is still getting big games from both PGMOL and UEFA. Referees can go through bad spells, just as players do, but that doesn't take away from him being one of the top referees England has ever produced. He dropped an absolute clanger yesterday, fortunately one that VAR was able to correct, but most referees do throughout their career.
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In fairness, I assumed you would have been able to realise what I was implying without me needing to spell it out.

You only need to go back a season on here to find me praising him above AT (and by extension, the rest of SG 1). But his excellent record doesn't preclude him being rubbish this season. And PGMOL failing to react quickly to that poor form (or feeling like their other options are still less appealing than a bad MO) doesn't make him good either.

I've spotted and highlighted his poor form multiple times this season. This shocking decision is just part of that pattern, I don't see any reason to deny it.
 
I very much doubt any risk assessment was taken before he made that challenge, he saw the ball, he went for it, and the outcome is what we all saw. It was a spur of the minute thing, personally I don't think there was any malice in it, rather it was just an extremely bad challenge and very clear SFP. Clearly, with the benefit of hindsight, he should have gone for it with his head not foot, and perhaps he will learn from that.
 
GraemeS said:
In fairness, I assumed you would have been able to realise what I was implying without me needing to spell it out.

You only need to go back a season on here to find me praising him above AT (and by extension, the rest of SG 1). But his excellent record doesn't preclude him being rubbish this season. And PGMOL failing to react quickly to that poor form (or feeling like their other options are still less appealing than a bad MO) doesn't make him good either.

I've spotted and highlighted his poor form multiple times this season. This shocking decision is just part of that pattern, I don't see any reason to deny it.
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Purely out of interest, what qualifications do you have to assess referees? As I've said, I don't think he is having his best season, but to suggest he has been rubbish this season is complete nonsense.
 
RustyRef said:
So your eyes are better than those of Webb, Rossetti and Colina who keep giving him big games?
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Are they on this forum? For now, I'm comfortable saying that I think my eyes are serving me better than anyone on here who's eyes are failing to see the obvious pattern.

They all have dozens of conflicting interests, not least the fact it benefits them if MO is able to work his way out of this slump and back to being the golden boy on merit. Palace v Millwall isn't exactly the glamour tie of this round, maybe this is already the first step of trying to give him some space to regain form outside the limelight?
 
GraemeS said:
Are they on this forum? For now, I'm comfortable saying that I think my eyes are serving me better than anyone on here who's eyes are failing to see the obvious pattern.

They all have dozens of conflicting interests, not least the fact it benefits them if MO is able to work his way out of this slump and back to being the golden boy on merit. Palace v Millwall isn't exactly the glamour tie of this round, maybe this is already the first step of trying to give him some space to regain form outside the limelight?
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Do you not know the history between Palace and Millwall? It was always going to be a game that one of the top referees was put on.
 
GraemeS said:
Doesn't make it a glamour tie?
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It makes it potentially one of the most difficult to referee, so you put your top officials on it.

Look, we know that you don't like Michael Oliver, presumably as a Liverpool fan based on previous posts. I would have hoped that 2 weeks passing from the derby and your hiatus would have let you move on from it, but obviously not.
 
Great yet another thread being taken over by Greame's and Rustyrefs bickering :rolleyes:

There is no doubt MO is having a tough time at the moment, so much so I'm getting an increasing feeling he may retire at the end of the season because why put himself through that scrutiny and he has achieved everything in the game just about(not sure if hes reffed any major finals or not). I do believe the PGMOL over rely on him too much and he referees a ridiculas number of games in a season which may increase fatigue and affect his decision making. Maybe the sun in his eyes played a part, maybe because the contact was slightly blindside, he just simply did not see it. I would argue if he saw it and thought it was just a yellow then that is worst for me.

Either way VAR did its job thankfully and that is why we have VAR.
 
A big part of the problem is that the PGMOL backed themselves into a major corner over the last few years by relying on MO & AT far too much for ‘big games’. As more and more games become in this category, something had to give.

From what I’ve heard on the grapevine, one of the reasons Hugh Dallas has been brought in is to shake this up a bit. Which is why we’ve seen some less established names getting bigger games recently.
 
Should Millwall fancy their chances of appealing this given the recent outcomes? 🤪😝
 
RustyRef said:
It makes it potentially one of the most difficult to referee, so you put your top officials on it.

Look, we know that you don't like Michael Oliver, presumably as a Liverpool fan based on previous posts. I would have hoped that 2 weeks passing from the derby and your hiatus would have let you move on from it, but obviously not.
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Why should I move on from it? Is the official RefChat policy that I'm not allowed to criticise poor SG1 official decisions, or attempt to identify patterns in those poor decisions? Am I not entitled to feel a little vindicated that the pattern of poor form I identified months ago (not at the derby, but a long time before that actually) has again reared it's head in another shocking decision?

Because that's the thing - I do like him. I have historically always preferred him to AT, going back probably the best part of a decade. And I still think if he can rediscover some form, he can go back to being my preferred SG1 official - I still prefer his style and approach, I just think his decision making accuracy and consistency this season is awful. Which is why your perception of me as an MO-hater is so wildly off base.

And you don't need to throw thinly veiled allusions to "fan nonsense" at me either. Yes, I'm a Liverpool fan. Yes, probably more than 90% of the PL games I watch in full are Liverpool games. So it shouldn't be a huge surprise that a lot of my MO opinions are based on his performances in Liverpool games. That's just where I can justify finding time to gather the data, I don't really know what you expect me to do about that?

But you're wrong to think this just goes back to the Derby. I've criticised him multiple other times earlier this season, often in games Liverpool have won. And I'm part of an almost unanimous majority on this decision as well. Yet for some reason, I'm the one you're choosing to attack?
 
What's peoples views on this, if the keeper had only connected with the ball and missed Mateta's head ? What are we giving ?
 
BCMilan said:
What's peoples views on this, if the keeper had only connected with the ball and missed Mateta's head ? What are we giving ?
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A call to the nearest funeral home? A kick like that directly into the front of Mateta's face could literally have been lethal.
 
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