The Ref Stop

Cremonese v Como

ladbroke8745

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Ref has lost control of this game in the 70th minute by giving a penalty that is so unbelievably weak. In my opinion its not a penalty.
He seemingly sent off 3 players now saying things out of turn, I guess, and they shouldn't have but I feel they have every right to feel aggrieved.
Several minutes and several angles to come up with, in my opinion, a poor decision.
2 of those reds were not on the pitch.
 
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It's a European penalty I say where a airkick that makes contact with an opponents foot will always be given in most European leagues but not in the PL (after the outrage in the Brighton Liverpool game a few seasons back).

As for the red cards for players saying something out of turn then it's hard to comment and only the officials will know if they have been over zealous or not.
 
I think every experienced Referee has been in a situation in which the cards don't work or stop working to the point that we give a flurry of them in a manner which represents a 'loss of control'. I have one game of my own, perhaps two, which spring to mind
As is the case in this Cremonese game, it invariably involves some aspect of very poor refereeing
This is a typically dreadful VAR intervention which has left the refereeing team drowning in a flood of their own making
And yes, as the commentator states, it shows a 'lack of understanding of the game'. It's not a typical on-field error of judgement
 
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This is a typically dreadful VAR intervention which has left the refereeing team drowning in a flood of their own making
And yes, as the commentator states, it shows a 'lack of understanding of the game'. It's not a typical on-field error of judgement

Is it though? In Europe, an opponent kicking the foot of the opposition always gets reviewed if the ref has not given it, it's soft and wouldn't be given in this country but I don't think they will say it's wrong.
 
I'd like to know what you think this phrase means.

To me it means when some adult people (let's call them players) act like pork chops we find someone else to make accountable for their behaviour?
As much as I agree with you (I did add in my post that the players were stupid if calling him out so to speak), the red on the field was during a conversation with the player. I imagine his own tone of voice spiked the players reaction further. He welcomed the confrontation and showed a red card when it got to a point he didnt like, players don't have that luxury.
The two off the field clearly said something to the assistant.

Ive seen in the Premier League where similar things like this have occurred and the referees have spoken with the captains well before this got to this stage.
 
As much as I agree with you (I did add in my post that the players were stupid if calling him out so to speak), the red on the field was during a conversation with the player. I imagine his own tone of voice spiked the players reaction further. He welcomed the confrontation and showed a red card when it got to a point he didnt like, players don't have that luxury.
The two off the field clearly said something to the assistant.

Ive seen in the Premier League where similar things like this have occurred and the referees have spoken with the captains well before this got to this stage.
Players certainly have the "luxury" of not saying things that amount to OFFINABUS. I'm a bit surprised that you are going to criticize the ref based on what you "imagine" to have happened.
 
Players certainly have the "luxury" of not saying things that amount to OFFINABUS. I'm a bit surprised that you are going to criticize the ref based on what you "imagine" to have happened.
When I managed I always said to the players that if you don't say anything to the referee you can't be punished. Open your mouth to protest and you run the risk of a card, and unless you know the characteristics of the referee you don't know what colour that might be. To coin the old phrase you pays your money and takes your chances, but say nothing and there is zero jeopardy.

And that was well before the days that only the captain can speak to the referee. Were the players sent off here the captain, well they can't all have been and actually none of them were (although the captain was cautioned). I understand they are upset about the decision, but the protests are futile as there is zero chance of the referee changing his mind.

The decision itself was harsh, arguably wrong, but equally we know that in Europe if you raised your feet with studs showing you usually get punished, especially in Italy.
 
Players certainly have the "luxury" of not saying things that amount to OFFINABUS. I'm a bit surprised that you are going to criticize the ref based on what you "imagine" to have happened.
Im not criticising him..
Far from it.
Players do have the ability to shut up but dont.
What I am saying is that some refs will argue back and whilst they get away with what they could say, players say something and will ultimately get a card.
In this game, the ref seemed to invite confrontation.
He stood dead centre of the area nearly and allowed players to approach. He stuck an arm out, loosely. No ushering away. I was taught in this situation to step off the field. Anyone approach you off the field, caution for leaving without permission.
I watched the game. Ref "lost control" in that moment by not acting sterner where appropriate. He gave the impression of allowing the confrontation. How often do you see refs whistling and using hand signals telling people to go away? Quite often. He done nothing. Bear in mind the one on the field was sent off second, so tensions even higher now.
The two on the sidelines "warming up" have zero excuses either. Approached assistant who couldnt really go anywhere or do much else, but the ref could easily have sorted the other red issue much better.

That is what I am saying.

The players too right are culpable and very much at fault. The ref was absolutely right to send them all off for what I assume is offinabus.
But he could have handled it better.
 
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I was taught in this situation to step off the field. Anyone approach you off the field, caution for leaving without permission.
It is the first time of hear of this approach. Not sure if I like it. I already have a good reason to caution players who approach me to protest. Do I need to manufacture a second reason? Unless I want to create a trap for a double caution 🤨

Having said that I'd be interested to read what others think about this approach.
 
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It is the first time of hear of this approach. Not sure if I like it. I already have a good reason to caution players who approach me to protest. Do I need to manufacture a second reason? Unless I want to create a trap for a double caution 🤨

Having said that I'd be interested to read what others think about this approach.
Also never heard of this approach and sounds like someone trying to be a smart Alec to manufacture a caution whilst ignoring another caution able offence.
Could only imagine the reaction to "what are you cautioning me for" when the response is " you left the field of play without my permission".
I have used in the past moved away from the offence location to a more neutral area, this better demonstrating the protestation when delivering the dissent caution, but tricking players into lwop, not for me.
Linking to the OP I can only imagine that would have made things worse.
We often say the referee lost control but I think that the reverse is true.
 
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When I have heard of this idea of stepping off the field the idea has not been cutesy “leaving the field” caution. But rather creating a clear Do-not-cross line for dissent. The idea being more that it makes it visible the player is continuing to pursue and the dissent card harder to object to. Typically I’ve seen it proposed for PK calls that are generating a lot of protest, where the R is already near the goal line. I’ve never really bought into it or tried it. And maybe not be as relevant with “captains only.”
 
When I have heard of this idea of stepping off the field the idea has not been cutesy “leaving the field” caution. But rather creating a clear Do-not-cross line for dissent. The idea being more that it makes it visible the player is continuing to pursue and the dissent card harder to object to. Typically I’ve seen it proposed for PK calls that are generating a lot of protest, where the R is already near the goal line. I’ve never really bought into it or tried it. And maybe not be as relevant with “captains only.”
I did many games as an AR for a ref (now Category 1 ref in Scotland) who always said pre-match that if there was a penalty awarded, hold your position for a few seconds before coming in to the goal line position, as if a player came charging across to the corner flag, then it makes it a whole lot easier to sell a caution for dissent.
 
I did many games as an AR for a ref (now Category 1 ref in Scotland) who always said pre-match that if there was a penalty awarded, hold your position for a few seconds before coming in to the goal line position, as if a player came charging across to the corner flag, then it makes it a whole lot easier to sell a caution for dissent.
This is good advice.
I ran the line on an FA cup 3Q game last season. A player went down for a penalty shout and I said 'No' down the comms as the referee blew the whistle and gave the penalty.
I then stepped on to the field too hastily, which invited players to come and protest at me, and cued the several hundred fans in the stand behind me calling me a c*nt for the next 30 mins. I wouldn't mind if I gave it... but I actually said no!
 
I did many games as an AR for a ref (now Category 1 ref in Scotland) who always said pre-match that if there was a penalty awarded, hold your position for a few seconds before coming in to the goal line position, as if a player came charging across to the corner flag, then it makes it a whole lot easier to sell a caution for dissent.
This instruction has been commonly used in games in England from Step 3, though less so last season than the seasons before (in my experience).
 
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