Club score
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Seem a big gap between fixtures I some times could have 3 appointments in that time before a club marks is on the system.
It depends on what level you're at. If you're a level 4, I believe it's from the day 11 days after the date of the game. If you're at level 3 or above you can see the mark as soon as it's submitted (on the overall review tab), although you still can't see the report until that date.
Should club marks be a major concern?
But what does it matter about the other fixtures. Every club, every game is different. It shouldn't impact how you go out and referee. You've also got to remember club marks now only account for 10% of your overall position. More weight is on observer marks and the module / LOTG assessments.
Just had my lowest club mark through where they cited I allowed encroachment on a penalty (that was scored direct).
Don't worry about them.
Don't worry about them.
My highest and lowest ever club marks came from the two clubs in the same game. Objectively, it was neither my best nor my worst game of the month, letalone of all time. If you guessed why that happened you probably wouldn't be far wrong, but says it all
My approach changed to not even looking at them until the end of the season. Couldn't think of a single good reason why knowing helped me
My approach changed to not even looking at them until the end of the season. Couldn't think of a single good reason why knowing helped me
I'm logged in shortly after midnight every Weds
Two more 90s in the bag helps me sleep like a baby
Anyway, what business is it of anyone if another ref chooses to engage with club marks or not?
Over an entire season, they equate to my overall self reflection just as well as observer marks on account of the fact that it's possible to get ten times the number of scores and i believe in the 'law of big numbers'. Referees are far too dismissive of them, whereas i value my 'customer satisfaction' scores even if many of them are not to my liking. In the long run, there's a nack to doing bettrr with them and it starts with giving the marks at least some rsspect
Two more 90s in the bag helps me sleep like a baby
Anyway, what business is it of anyone if another ref chooses to engage with club marks or not?
Over an entire season, they equate to my overall self reflection just as well as observer marks on account of the fact that it's possible to get ten times the number of scores and i believe in the 'law of big numbers'. Referees are far too dismissive of them, whereas i value my 'customer satisfaction' scores even if many of them are not to my liking. In the long run, there's a nack to doing bettrr with them and it starts with giving the marks at least some rsspect
As you say, each to their own. Not saying anyone should or should not be eagerly looking them up, just worth reflecting on the value / pain you get from them, which will be different for different referees. I sleep better just ignoring them, but that's just me.
That's not to say I don't respect clubs' opinions and there are ways of asking appropriately and respectfully when it makes sense - 'Anything for us ?'. I'm just completely uninterested in how that translates into a mark, particularly when Fred gives me 95, Joe gives me 5, both based on a 50/50 call in the last minute that one thinks is the best decision ever and one the worst - blissfully ignoring the other 89 minutes of hard work
The OP was worried about not getting club marks before their next couple of games. That made me wonder what they would do when marks arrive - change their style, worry about clubs' comments?
For what they are worth, reading them after receipt is certainly worthwhile but hoping they arrive before the next game fringes on worrying unnecessarily, IMHO.
This isn't true, because MOAS is always unavailable shortly after midnight
If the FA used the appropriate statistical measure of 'median' (instead of average), we'd probably all feel a lot different about club marks, as the silly emotionally motivated low marks would have very very little impact on our seasonal score and merit table position
Median just can't be argued with, once the sample is above around 12 individual scores
The use of 'average' is a very good example of how referees are not the best architects of a merit scheme. If I was at the helm, my first port of call would involve contacting statisticians who could assist with achieving the objective of devising a scheme that more accurately reflects performance. I very very much doubt, the FA and their 'referee employees', have ever considers doing this
Median just can't be argued with, once the sample is above around 12 individual scores
The use of 'average' is a very good example of how referees are not the best architects of a merit scheme. If I was at the helm, my first port of call would involve contacting statisticians who could assist with achieving the objective of devising a scheme that more accurately reflects performance. I very very much doubt, the FA and their 'referee employees', have ever considers doing this
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bester
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Love that, yes, average in every day life more often refers to 'mode' than it does 'mean'!
Not bragging like.... well go on then... bit of bragging here, but I was on the 10th percentile last year for club marks (over 18 games), which might explain my positive relationship with club marks
My mean of 77.5 would've been a median of 79.5. That's an enormous difference considering a sample of 36
Which demonstrates the impact of those ridiculous rogue low scores which cause the vast majority of referees to lose faith in club marks
My lowest ever score over 4 years was 60.5. That one score wrecked me
I didn't have a bad game from memory. But it kicked off after the final whistle and one of the players came out the dressing room with an iron bar!!!
Big Cat took a dismal view of such behaviour!
Where club marks are concerned, median represents 'majority opinion'
Mean represents 'luck'
Not bragging like.... well go on then... bit of bragging here, but I was on the 10th percentile last year for club marks (over 18 games), which might explain my positive relationship with club marks
My mean of 77.5 would've been a median of 79.5. That's an enormous difference considering a sample of 36
Which demonstrates the impact of those ridiculous rogue low scores which cause the vast majority of referees to lose faith in club marks
My lowest ever score over 4 years was 60.5. That one score wrecked me
I didn't have a bad game from memory. But it kicked off after the final whistle and one of the players came out the dressing room with an iron bar!!!
Big Cat took a dismal view of such behaviour!
Where club marks are concerned, median represents 'majority opinion'
Mean represents 'luck'
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As a maths geek I think you were correct originally in that ‘average’ in every day life most commonly means ‘mean’ (or at least it does to me) but the mean, median and mode are all averages!
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I think most people use “average” without really thinking about what it actually means . . .