headbutt or butt is a targeted strike with the head, typically involving the use of robust parts of the headbutter's cranium as the area of impact
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You’re just quoting Wikipedia now. Sign of losing a battle.
No , I may have used Wikipedia but I could have used the Oxford or Cambridge dictionary to show the meaning of a head butt, wiki popped up first on the search. If it’s a headbutt , a targeted strike with the head, change the incident to violent conduct?
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What you're suggesting is something that falls into the category of violence outwith a football pitch. This is more like for something that happened down the local pub.
On the football field, we also use the term headbutt for something similar to when Kyle Walker, recently went forehead to forehead with another and both got a caution (if i recall correctly).
In this incidence, it is not either of the above situations. But it is two players going for the ball. Pedro is running across goal and flicked the ball on, whilst Saliba is running away from goal trying to get there first.
Unfortunately, for Saliba, Pedro got their first. He played the ball upwards, slightly. Saliba was late to getting there and in that process his involvement with the ball only came because Pedro, who got their first (reiterating), put the ball on his head rather than Saliba putting his head on the ball. Even then, it glanced off the top of the head and continued towards goal. If Saliba was going for the ball and got their first he'd have headed it cleanly and away. He didn't. Following that, he then bangs heads with Pedro.
This is akin to when a forward plays the ball first from the defender with his foot when running, it may brush off the defenders leg/knee, but if the defender makes contact with the attacker, he is still late.
We need to get away from this "he got the ball, no foul then" mantra.
Yes, it may never have been seen before, may not see it again to be honest (but that is more because it is such an unusual incident) but it doesn't make it wrong.
I've seen on twitter overnight that VAR is costing Arsenal all the time.
This incident it wasn't even VAR that gave it, it was the ref. They just backed him up.
They're also complaining about how no one else has been sent off for kicking the ball away. Erm, they were yellow carded. Just so happens they were already on a card when it happened leading to another yellow.
On the football field, we also use the term headbutt for something similar to when Kyle Walker, recently went forehead to forehead with another and both got a caution (if i recall correctly).
In this incidence, it is not either of the above situations. But it is two players going for the ball. Pedro is running across goal and flicked the ball on, whilst Saliba is running away from goal trying to get there first.
Unfortunately, for Saliba, Pedro got their first. He played the ball upwards, slightly. Saliba was late to getting there and in that process his involvement with the ball only came because Pedro, who got their first (reiterating), put the ball on his head rather than Saliba putting his head on the ball. Even then, it glanced off the top of the head and continued towards goal. If Saliba was going for the ball and got their first he'd have headed it cleanly and away. He didn't. Following that, he then bangs heads with Pedro.
This is akin to when a forward plays the ball first from the defender with his foot when running, it may brush off the defenders leg/knee, but if the defender makes contact with the attacker, he is still late.
We need to get away from this "he got the ball, no foul then" mantra.
Yes, it may never have been seen before, may not see it again to be honest (but that is more because it is such an unusual incident) but it doesn't make it wrong.
I've seen on twitter overnight that VAR is costing Arsenal all the time.
This incident it wasn't even VAR that gave it, it was the ref. They just backed him up.
They're also complaining about how no one else has been sent off for kicking the ball away. Erm, they were yellow carded. Just so happens they were already on a card when it happened leading to another yellow.
Isn't that exactly what a clash of heads is?
Both players go for the ball. Both players touch the ball. Their heads collide. It seems that the order in which they touch the ball means one player has fouled the other.
I'm not saying that's necessarily wrong, by the way. But that is the argument, I think.
When I saw it at the time I thought it was a 100% a penalty. Having since seen they both got a touch I'm not sure. It's definitely not a clear and obvious error.
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Not really, no. Think of it this way; when a goalkeeper comes out to punch the ball but misses it and punches a player in the head, you don’t say it was a clash of head and fist. It’s a punch. An accidental one, but still a punch.
On the contrary. I was a goalkeeper, and the striker has just headbutted my fist ref.
If the keeper hits the ball first then you wouldn’t give it though would you. Or if a player knocks it onto his arm first?
I can't that have led to penalties, because there haven't been any that I remember. But that doesn't mean it isn't a foul, I'd never seen anyone jump feet first into the crowd before Cantona did it but that doesn't mean it couldn't be violent conduct because no one had seen it before
What I have seen though, and given myself, loads of free kicks where two players go to head the ball, one gets there first and the second is late and heads the first player. That isn't an accidental clash of heads, it is one player getting there first and the other player heading them, that makes it careless and a free kick. It happens a lot, but doesn't get talked about as it doesn't lead to a penalty.
Think of it like keepers coming out to punch the ball. It used to be that if they miss the ball, or just get a glancing blow, and then accidentally punch and opponent they'd generally get away with it. But in recent years these dave started being sanctioned as penalties, completely accidental but ultimately careless and therefore a penalty. Not really any different to a defender going to head the ball and heading the attacker instead, even if he did get the slightest of touch on the ball first.
Show me a penalty given where the keeper punches the ball and gets the player and a penalty is given?I can't that have led to penalties, because there haven't been any that I remember. But that doesn't mean it isn't a foul, I'd never seen anyone jump feet first into the crowd before Cantona did it but that doesn't mean it couldn't be violent conduct because no one had seen it before
What I have seen though, and given myself, loads of free kicks where two players go to head the ball, one gets there first and the second is late and heads the first player. That isn't an accidental clash of heads, it is one player getting there first and the other player heading them, that makes it careless and a free kick. It happens a lot, but doesn't get talked about as it doesn't lead to a penalty.
Think of it like keepers coming out to punch the ball. It used to be that if they miss the ball, or just get a glancing blow, and then accidentally punch and opponent they'd generally get away with it. But in recent years these dave started being sanctioned as penalties, completely accidental but ultimately careless and therefore a penalty. Not really any different to a defender going to head the ball and heading the attacker instead, even if he did get the slightest of touch on the ball first.
The reverse angle clearly shows that he got the ball and the collision was accidental. Both players focussed on the ball. It’s a clash of heads. Not a penalty.
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