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Any penalty incident and definitely those which are given are checked by VAR. No commentators is required for that fact
Edit:. My bad. I thought you were talking about the pen, not the kick out.
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Edit:. My bad. I thought you were talking about the pen, not the kick out.
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You may want to watch it again, but I’m not sure how Pedro is heading into the same direction as Saliba?
The ball is in a different postcode when Saliba heads Joao Pedro. He's late, it was careless, I find it very hard to believe that any qualified referee would feel this wasn't a penalty.
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So you’re the 1 viewer they get these days!
Ps- you can watch them on YouTube as well
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I have come to the conclusion that most viewers don't have the same thought structures in their heads as referees. For us the idea of a ball being played and contact following is always a matter of degree. For many viewers, however, the level of contact makes it a qualitative difference. It's one where you have to referee to know that AT was correct. VAR really hasn't helped with that divide, as some explanations are justified with the idea that "there isn't enough contact". How can you square that circle? Is it satisfying to say to a layman that for a certain type of challenge force makes a qualitative difference, whereas for others it does not?
I disagree on this one, as I'm struggling to find anyone that thinks this wasn't a penalty. Normally my WhatsApp lights up when my Arsenal fan friends feel aggrieved, but I've had absolutely nothing tonight.
SL139 is agreeing with you that it is a penalty.
He then breaks off to talk about VAR and it's benefits or losses.
Contact has never really been the deciding factor though, before or after VAR. Football is a contact game, perhaps less so now than it used to be, but contact cannot necessarily mean foul.
My point was more that this decision has been pretty much universally accepted by the football community. There was no VAR involvement, other than the routine check that happens for every penalty, it was a decision made on pitch that has been accepted by (probably) all but Arsenal fans.
I think this was one where Luiz cracked Jimenez’s headthat Arsenal got away with a few seasons back. To me it is late and a foul. I think this whole ‘in the box’ threshold nonsense needs to go. If it’s a foul, it’s a foul.
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Just seen the Gordon incident for the first time. Looks like he turns around and runs into the defenders shoulder. The defender is allowed his place on the field of play. Not his fault if someone runs into them
I’ve also just seen it for the first time and saw the Newcastle player turn and the Tottenham player running carelessly into the Newcastle player and in my opinion a penalty should have been awarded. But hey ho the ref gives what they see
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Look at the Sky Sports & TNT highlights on YouTube. The fact they don’t even show it would suggest it’s a non-story……I’ve also just seen it for the first time and saw the Newcastle player turn and the Tottenham player running carelessly into the Newcastle player and in my opinion a penalty should have been awarded. But hey ho the ref gives what they see
Show me examples of any similar incidents to this one.
The reverse camera angle showed Pedro's head heading towards Saliba's attempt to head the ball, there was always going to be some contact. Maybe Saliba should of went to ground and milked being injured, may of made the referee think even more.
Would VAR get involved if no penalty was given?
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@RustyRef didnt mention any similar incidents?
I posted an image earlier of the point of contact. In this, Pedro is going in a different direction to Saliba.
Well he says a qualified referee should see this as a penalty so give me some examples when a referee awarded a spot kick for a clash of heads?
Pedro's head on reverse angle did drift towards Saliba, contact was unavoidable, Saliba did touch the ball before any contact, I just think it's a very soft award of a penalty.
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This wasn’t a clash of heads. This was a player unintentionally headbutting another player.
The ball touched Saliba rather than Saliba touched the ball. A ‘soft’ penalty is still a penalty. Contact being unavoidable doesn’t really matter. They’re both aiming for the ball, but from different angles. Saliba has made a very rash challenge and been punished.
That’s a massive leap to describe it as a headbutt and quite ridiculous for it to be seen as a targeted strike with the head! Saliba was trying to head the ball.
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Where did I say it was a targeted strike? Someone hitting another person with their head is quite literally a headbutt. Doesn’t mean they meant to do it.