ARS vs MNU

[RefereeX]

For me it’s reckless. If the Arsenal player doesn’t jump out of the way he risks being hurt.

 

[Peter Grove]

I think it's a foul. A very small amount of contact that made it a foul/trip. But for me it does not fit the definition of reckless. I don't think it was SPA from memory.

I'd like to see the EPL stats on second hlaf sliding tackle fouls that become caution. I'd imagine it'd be very very high. Siding tackles can be careless but not reckless.

Looked like it fully met the definition of reckless to me. For me, the player has "act[ed] with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent." As @RefereeX points out, if the opponent doesn't take evasive action, he gets clattered - and he was sent tumbling even so.

 

[Steve Fall]

For me, watching on TV, the issue I had was with the Arsenal kit - the numners were not visiable unless they used the pitchside "zoomed" in cameras (White shirts and white numbering)

 

[one]

Looked like it fully met the definition of reckless to me. For me, the player has "act[ed] with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent." As @RefereeX points out, if the opponent doesn't take evasive action, he gets clattered - and he was sent tumbling even so.

Not for me. The fact that he jumped (evasive action) made his tumble look worse (and a bit of expected play acting). I think clattered is too stronger word. Had he not jumped he would have been tripped like many other trips that cause a fall and are usually just careless.
I know this is subjective, but I don't think the tackle had been made with disregard to danger.

On a different note, very poor use of the word 'consequence'. Every tackle has consequences. Some of them are legal like winning the ball.

 

[RefereeX]

On a different note, very poor use of the word 'consequence'. Every tackle has consequences. Some of them are legal like winning the ball.

The wording doesn't suggest to me that it's reckless if there is a consequence, it reads that it's reckless if the challenge is made in a manner where the player disregards any potential consequence i.e. doesn't care if the recipient gets hurt...

 

[ARF]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1878479178179223666

This is a reckless tackle. The player is moving at speed, dives in with his foot a foot off the ground, plays none of the ball, and the opponent has to jump out of the way to avoid ankle/shin-high contact.

 

[Runner Ref]

Not that it matters, but if there's one place on the pitch not to make that tackle, it is literally where he did it.

 

[deusex]

On a booking,
Against this team,
With this ref,
Absolutely moronic tackle.

 

[RustyRef]

I called red before he made contact. Once he'd taken the heavy touch and then gone lunging after it there was only going to be one outcome, even more so with it being right in front of the Arsenal bench. I'm struggling to see any view that this wasn't reckless, he's lunged at speed and not got the ball.

 

[DJIC]

With the penalty shootout in this match, thought a good idea to check my law knowledge. (I failed on first one)

1. Man U have ten players, so Arsenal have to nominate a non penalty taker. “Our keeper won’t take a penalty ref.”

2. Jogging to penalty mark, striker pulls a hamstring, “Ref, sub please.”

3. GK jogs to penalty mark, pulls a hamstring. “Ref, sub please.”

4. During penalty shootout, last penalty of the first round of penalties, striker is sent off walking to the penalty mark. “Ref, he can’t take the last penalty, so we win.”

As ref, Ok with all of the above.

 

[JamesL]

With the penalty shootout in this match, thought a good idea to check my law knowledge. (I failed on first one)

1. Man U have ten players, so Arsenal have to nominate a non penalty taker. “Our keeper won’t take a penalty ref.”

No - excluded from kicks from the penalty mark so the player who is in goal i.e. the goalkeeper has to also be a penalty taker.

2. Jogging to penalty mark, striker pulls a hamstring, “Ref, sub please.”

No.

3. GK jogs to penalty mark, pulls a hamstring. “Ref, sub please.”

Yes

4. During penalty shootout, last penalty of the first round of penalties, striker is sent off walking to the penalty mark. “Ref, he can’t take the last penalty, so we win.”

Correct.

As ref, Ok with all of the above.

1/4.

Off top of my head so apologies if wrong.

 

[JamesL]

No - excluded from kicks from the penalty mark so the player who is in goal i.e. the goalkeeper has to also be a penalty taker.

No.

Yes

Correct.

1/4.

Off top of my head so apologies if wrong.

Q4 maybe not ... I had in head offence and pen recorded as missed.

 

[ladbroke8745]

Picky, I know....but any chance someone will take a throw-in from where the ball went off ?

That's funny, i was thinking the same thing.
Can't remember the minute or which half it was but Arsenal had a throw in that should have been a couple of yards within the technically area outer edge yet when taken he'd stepped so far up that the camera angle no longer had the technical area in shot and the colour of the grass (you know what i mean, the shading of the "lines") had changed twice. Now each of those shadings are about 6 yards if you base that info from the 3 lines of the penalty area, so he walked at least 10 yards closer. Stopped. And then ran a couple of yards to actually release it from about 20 yards out instead of what should have been nearly 30+ yards out.
That distance can make a huge difference.

 

[one]

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1. Man U have ten players, so Arsenal have to nominate a non penalty taker. “Our keeper won’t take a penalty ref.”

No. They don't nominate a "non penalty taker". They reduce the onfled players by one. Effectively o e player becomes a sub.

2. Jogging to penalty mark, striker pulls a hamstring, “Ref, sub please.”

No. Opposingvteam reduces by one. Another player from same team takes that penalty. There will be some interesting scenarios here if the injured player is the last for the round or if the reduced player has already taken a kick, etc.

3. GK jogs to penalty mark, pulls a hamstring. “Ref, sub please.”

Yes but only if they have not used their subs quota. However the player coming in can be a reduced player which won't count as a sub.

4. During penalty shootout, last penalty of the first round of penalties, striker is sent off walking to the penalty mark. “Ref, he can’t take the last penalty, so we win.”

No. Other team reduces. Another player from same team takes penalty. Also some interesting scenarios here.

 

[BCMilan]

That's funny, i was thinking the same thing.
Can't remember the minute or which half it was but Arsenal had a throw in that should have been a couple of yards within the technically area outer edge yet when taken he'd stepped so far up that the camera angle no longer had the technical area in shot and the colour of the grass (you know what i mean, the shading of the "lines") had changed twice. Now each of those shadings are about 6 yards if you base that info from the 3 lines of the penalty area, so he walked at least 10 yards closer. Stopped. And then ran a couple of yards to actually release it from about 20 yards out instead of what should have been nearly 30+ yards out.
That distance can make a huge difference.

Exactly that. I saw several where they just strolled down the pitch (or away from the attacking corner flag to give themselves a better angle) but the one you mentioned was the final straw and made me make the post. Reffing is about game control, and this is one area where you can show your confidence and authority. Once players know you're not going to stand for their cheating, they're less likely to do it for more serious situations.

 

[RefereeX]

Just thinking again about scenario 4... how can another player from the team fairly take the 11th penalty when everyone else has already taken one?

I'm not sure if you're suggesting a player gets to take a 2nd penalty to complete the first 11 pens? But if so you'd create a scenario where a team who are 11-10 down in a shootout with a very weak taker still to take to intentionally get sent off so that they can use a stronger penalty taker?

 

[one]

Yeah. And it has been discussed on this forum before. It's one of the interesting scenarios I was referring to.

The other one is reversed but is not as unfair. A player who has already taken a kick gets himself sent off. The opponents reduce with their weakest pen taker who has not yet taken a pen. If this goes the full round, the sent off player's team's weakest pen taker will be up against the opponent's stronget pen taker.