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RefereeX said:
Fair, but then advantage is played again until the handball offence which is the best benefit to the non-offending team... ;)



It has been made very, very clear to English officials that this is the expectation, so yes, if it happens and I notice that it's happened (I do think if you're not 100% switched on and there's no appeal you could easily miss it) then yes, I will penalise it.
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Ok then, I fixed my post 😜

one said:
I am confident anyone backing applying the FA guideline strictly on this forum is NOT going to notice this double touch.
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And this makes the Game better how? It’s one thing to say that professionals should know this nuance. But at grassroots this is going to be an ongoing “gotcha scenario—especially as many refs are going to either be oblivious or deliberately ignore it.
 
socal lurker said:
And this makes the Game better how? It’s one thing to say that professionals should know this nuance. But at grassroots this is going to be an ongoing “gotcha scenario—especially as many refs are going to either be oblivious or deliberately ignore it.
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I think it's always a dangerous situation when a referee doesn't know for certain if a restart has been taken or not... for similar reasons I don't allow corner shenanigans where a team will nudge the ball in the arc then run away and someone else comes and gets the ball and runs with it. At least this way it's black and white as to when the goal kick is taken. If it's kicked from a stationary position in the goal area, it's taken.
 
I think the law change on restarts could get pretty wild if taken to the nth degree.
Keeper throws the ball whilst stood still in the GA at a GK....
 
one said:
Ball being stationary is not a requirement for ball being in play.
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As per the guidance being given by UEFA and The FA:
Following the award of a goal kick by the referee, when the ball is stationary within the goal area and is kicked by the goalkeeper or a teammate of the goalkeeper, the goal kick will be considered to have been taken.
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RefereeX said:
I'd argue it's had a huge impact on the game with teams taking short goal kicks all the time and playing out from the back more.
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Absolutely, it has had a huge impact on the game, it has completely changed how most teams play out from defence. Whether it has improved the game will be a matter of opinion.
 
ARF said:
As per the guidance being given by UEFA and The FA:
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I believe @one ’s point was that we just got told advantage can be played when a kick is improperly taken with the ball still moving. The two issues get messy. I guess the reconciliation is that if, ITOOTR, the GK’s kick of a moving ball was intended to be a GK, then we can play advantage and call the PK? Zero chance that is a call I would ever make.
 
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ARF said:
As per the guidance being given by UEFA and The FA:
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Does it say when the ball is in play though? And what does the rest of the world use?

For what it's worth, I was agaisnt the restart advantage right from the outset because of this very reason. Restart procedure and ball in play were independent definitions and the relationship between them was never properly defined for different restarts.
 
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one said:
That's a clear no. You can only play advantage when the ball is in play. At a goal kick, ball is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves.
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Yes, you and I know this which is why I said nth degree. Incorrectly taken restart is very poorly defined. There are many ways in which a restart can be incorrectly taken so how do we really define what is and what isn't?

The ball is not really in play if the restart isn't correctly taken, so when is it ok and when is it not.

Another example: throw in. Player throws the ball from outside the field of play, facing the field, 2 feet in the floor, but underarm to a team mate who is on the field of play who catches it..are you giving handball here?

My answer is not in a month of Sundays but the law as it is written, taken to nth degree...
 
JamesL said:
The ball is not really in play if the restart isn't correctly taken,
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This is really not law but a solid assumption that held true until IFAB nuked it with its advantage from restart law. So it no longer holds true. But kind of agree with you, see my added part in post #49.

JamesL said:
Another example: throw in. Player throws the ball from outside the field of play, facing the field, 2 feet in the floor, but underarm to a team mate who is on the field of play who catches it..are you giving handball here?

My answer is not in a month of Sundays but the law as it is written, taken to nth degree...
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Absolutely. And this is where my gripe is about intent and referee judgement on it. It seems that the FA guidance has taken that discretion away from referees for goal kicks and many here agree with it.
 
one said:
This is really not law but a solid assumption that held true until IFAB nuked it with its advantage from restart law. So it no longer holds true. But kind of agree with you, see my added part in post #49.


Absolutely. And this is where my gripe is about intent and referee judgement on it. It seems that the FA guidance has taken that discretion away from referees for goal kicks and many here agree with it.
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Yes. I think what the FA has instructed is separate to the restart advantage but there is of course a world where the 2 collide.
If the ball is stationary, and kicked and clearly moves it shouldn't be handled. Obviously if the restart was never taken properly in the first place then it becomes very murky.
 
JamesL said:
If the ball is stationary, and kicked and clearly moves it shouldn't be handled. Obviously if the restart was never taken properly in the first place then it becomes very murky.
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Ah, but ball being stationary is not a requirement to put the ball in play...

And if it is stationary and kick and clear moves but the intent was to place the ball correctly for a goal kick, can it be kicked again? I think we are going around circles on this 😊
 
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