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amref

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Yesterday, fully expected him to recommend a penalty after Gusto’s high foot. Nothing.
Today, Arsenal penalty given, no one expecting it to be overturned. It’s overturned.
what do other people make of that?
I’m even more baffled than usual. It took JG over a minute at the screen - high bar??
 
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I thought it was a shocking intervention, would have loved JG to stick with his decision

At least he didn't get involved with the Newcastle goal (incidentally the least deserved goal of the season - they've been battered!)
 
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es1 said:
I thought it was a shocking intervention, would have loved JG to stick with his decision

At least he didn't get involved with the Newcastle goal (incidentally the least deserved goal of the season - they've been battered!)
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I was really hoping he was going to be brave and stick with it. Thought he was for a second. Incredible to intervene there having not yesterday for the Gusto kick to the head
 
amref said:
I was really hoping he was going to be brave and stick with it. Thought he was for a second. Incredible to intervene there having not yesterday for the Gusto kick to the head
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Not seen that yesterday

The time he took at the monitor made me think he was going to stick...Will be an interesting one for tv no doubt
 
I think there is contact that was not seen by referee - but I still think it’s a foul. Getting a touch on the ball is not everything. I think it is worth the referee having a look tbh, but this just shoots us in the foot - getting the ball in itself isn’t everything.

However - glad VAR kept stum on the Newcastle goal. Was a cracking header.
 
I can only assume that Darren England asked Jared Gillett if he had seen Nick Pope touch the ball, and if he said no they deem that it ticks the clear and obvious error box. My personal view is even with a touch on the ball he then wipes the opponent out and it looks like a penalty, but equally we do know there's an expectation within football that if the keeper touches the ball they get away with it.

Definitely not a foul on Gabriel, he feels the hands on his back and flings himself to the group. Think Arsenal were lucky to get away with the Gabriel handling, but again from the Mic'd up show we know that they are less likely to penalise if the ball deflected off their own body even if that isn't really supported in law.

Lots of controversy but I liked how Gillett refereed the game, he let a lot of physical contact go and that contributed to what was a very entertaining game.
 
Just seen the Gusto incident. I am flabbergasted at no intervention for that. The Arsenal penalty intervention I can understand if Gillett said over comms he saw no contact on ball, but I'm still baffled why that is considered a clear and obvious error while the Gusto challenge isn't. It just goes back to what I've said previously about VAR in the Premier League which is that it's far keener to deny a penalty etc than to award one, which is not how it's supposed to work.
 
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Just seen the Gusto incident. I am flabbergasted at no intervention for that. The Arsenal penalty intervention I can understand if Gillett said over comms he saw no contact on ball, but I'm still baffled why that is considered a clear and obvious error while the Gusto challenge isn't. It just goes back to what I've said previously about VAR in the Premier League which is that it's far keener to deny a penalty etc than to award one, which is not how it's supposed to work.
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What makes it worse is it was the same VAR involved in both incidents. Makes me wonder if he has already been told he was wrong not to intervene yesterday and as a result has overcompensated today.
 
RustyRef said:
What makes it worse is it was the same VAR involved in both incidents. Makes me wonder if he has already been told he was wrong not to intervene yesterday and as a result has overcompensated today.
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I don’t know how else you can compute the same person not intervening for that yesterday and then intervening like that today.
 
amref said:
I don’t know how else you can compute the same person not intervening for that yesterday and then intervening like that today.
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Don't know if you heard the Graham Scott interview last week, but he basically said that the constant changing of direction in terms of what the football authorities, which is driven by the clubs, want VAR to get involved with was leaving the officials not knowing where they stand. If, and it is just an if, he has been told he was wrong to intervene yesterday that would undoubtedly be playing on his mind today.
 
What makes today worse is Gyrokeres moves the ball onto the foot, not Pope making a challenge. So pundits making out it's a good tackle is just ridiculous. Nevertheless, it's not a clear and obvious error. It's another glaring human error this weekend.

Also, Arsenal denied another penalty with the handball at the end. Ball came from distance and Bruno hand is out and high. Not natural position. No excuses not to award a pen for a goal bound shot that ticks all the boxes again.

Gabriel redeemed himself for the embarrassing belly flop for Newcastle's goal
 
How do we all feel about the Gabriel handball? Deflected yes but that’s no longer a LOTG consideration. It’s unnaturally bigger and doesn’t sit that comfortably with me
 
QuaverRef said:
How do we all feel about the Gabriel handball? Deflected yes but that’s no longer a LOTG consideration. It’s unnaturally bigger and doesn’t sit that comfortably with me
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Penalty via VAR you expect in Europe but not the PL, I think it's pretty close proximity aswell which may of been a factor.

As for the moment when VAR did intervene, then I don't mind it, I can understand why he did with Pope touching the ball and allowing the referee too see that is understandable. What is perhaps frustrating is seemingly Gillett was not fully convinced(given what the commentators said and how long he was at the screen) yet still changed his mind. I don't think there be to many complaints if he did stuck by his original decision because for me, the ball was played onto Pope rather than Pope cleanly gets the ball before any contact.
 
BCMilan said:
That's a disgraceful decision. The game is gone
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Centre forwards union - penalty. Goalkeepers union - no penalty. Ex professional footballers views expressed. Certainly not a disgraceful decision and no the game has not gone - though in your eyes it has which is fair enough.
 
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