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This time VAR review recommended, and Evanilson initially giving a yellow and now given a red. Commmeyary not happy but think it’s the right call
 
Only saw a quick replay, but looks like he slipped and caught the player fairly low to me. Not something I'd be classing as clear and obvious
 
Think the thing that sort of doesn't help him is the fact he's off the ground albeit the impact isn't too far off of the ground
 
I thought the first one should be recommended for a review imo, there was a lot of force in the challenge and both feet were slightly off the ground.

The second one I feel is harsh because of the slip, I think yellow is fine in this case. I got a feeling it Bournemouth appeal(and I think they will), it will get overturned.
 
From another angle, it's slightly higher than what I had thought. That said, there's not a lot of force in it. Not having that as SFP. Especially a VAR intervened one.

More evidence to back the theory that PGMOL don't have a clue what SFP play is!
 
Would be interesting to know what Bankes and the 4O saw and said and why it was a yellow on field. Looks probably a very strong yellow but I'm not sure I'd say that it is a C&O error
 
Was at the game, player & bench reaction, suggested yellow was fine. I feel the VAR intervention was unnecessary, nobody at the ground expected it.

Peter Bankes didn't really take charge of the game, many of his decisions were delayed as if he someone was in his ear, which is why he may have let VAR in by not being decisive in what he had seen.
 
DJIC said:
Was at the game, player & bench reaction, suggested yellow was fine. I feel the VAR intervention was unnecessary, nobody at the ground expected it.

Peter Bankes didn't really take charge of the game, many of his decisions were delayed as if he someone was in his ear, which is why he may have let VAR in by not being decisive in what he had seen.
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VAR cannot communicate with the match officials until a decision has been made. Of course it is possible there is a delay whilst the on-pitch officials are discussing what happened, but it isn’t a delay due to VAR.
 
The Tarkowski controversy has led to an over-reaction. They're struggling to judge each incident on it's own merits
This Evanilson dismissal was a bit harsh and probably wouldn't have happened if wasn't for Tarkowski-gate
They focus too much on point of contact when 'excessive force' is Law. Personally, I evaluate intent in my games as that's linked to excessive force
 
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I guess if intent doesn't come into the equation, then it doesn't matter whether he slipped or not if it was deemed excessive force?
 
It’s now been appealed and probably like Fernandez one earlier this season gets overturned but I have to wonder why VAR thought it was a obvious error
 
I think as an outsider and maybe to those who played the game and is on the appeal panal, it needs to be make clearer whether a genuine slip should change the judgement whether it's serious foul play or not. I get it if a player slips and makes a secondary movement(maybe like John Duran did a few months back) then you can consider SFP but in this case, it really does just look more unfortunate and a yellow card was not a clear and obvious error.
 
if we had a process for SFP (or VC) like they do in rugby then you would consider it as 'mitigation'
 
I think VAR comes across really bad here. One moment he believes it's a 2 footed challenge that catches opponent on the knee. The next he believes player went into the challenge like that on purpose and doesn't slip. He quite clearly slips!

Match Officials Mic'd Up: Evanilson's red card was a 'misread' by VAR

https://www.skysports.com/share/13367140
 
Runner Ref said:
I think VAR comes across really bad here. One moment he believes it's a 2 footed challenge that catches opponent on the knee. The next he believes player went into the challenge like that on purpose and doesn't slip. He quite clearly slips!

Match Officials Mic'd Up: Evanilson's red card was a 'misread' by VAR

https://www.skysports.com/share/13367140
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Josh the referee said:
Would be interesting to know what Bankes and the 4O saw and said and why it was a yellow on field. Looks probably a very strong yellow but I'm not sure I'd say that it is a C&O error
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Well hearing the audio, the referee has made a clear and obvious error because he gives the yellow because he didn't think studs were involved, would he of went red if he saw studs involved? That said, is showing a yellow still an error even if the referee has misread it?

I think yellow is more of a correct decision, mostly because of the slip but I'm not sure how much discretion is allowed when a slip is involved? Obviously ex players think this should be a big factor to judge the severity of an incident but I'm guessing referees have to judge it differently?
 
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