West Ham v Brighton
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Unjustifiable. Ludicrously poor decisionSh1thouse challenge
Clear red card. Some would even say ‘football expects’
Interested to see what the defence of this will be.
Yet hardly surprising
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A major weakness of PGMOL officials had always been SFP. They’re naff at identifying it.
It’s almost as though they’re doing their best to keep it 11v11. Which is very noble. But ultimately, you need to deal with it when someone oversteps the boundary
It’s almost as though they’re doing their best to keep it 11v11. Which is very noble. But ultimately, you need to deal with it when someone oversteps the boundary
I'll bet it's the touch on the ball first that has (wrongly) deterred VAR from intervening. It's nice that despite that touch we can see universal condemnation of the challenge and lack of appropriate sanction.
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I can’t remember the last time I recoiled so much at seeing something on the field.
OMFG what are they doing not sending off here FFS
OMFG what are they doing not sending off here FFS
That is really poor, he clearly raises his foot and seems to be following a recent trend of going too far the other way this season on the leniency scale, especially considering that tackles like Curtis Jones last year were nowhere near as bad as this and some recent possible leg-breakers.
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No control, lunging, excessive force, high contact, studs out. Could it be any clearer on video review.
Must be very hard to referee a game when the clear mandate is not to ruin the spectacle
Although it's seemingly very obvious PGMOL work to this remit, they do however dismiss players for extraordinarily soft reasons on other occasions, like Shar-Gate (Newc v Southampton first game of the season). It just feeds into my (and most people's) narrative that they're collectively not good enough
There is however a very compelling counter-argument to my own argument, that is it's not the referees who are the problem, it's the organisations above them which are responsible. PGMOL and IFAB. I've always felt this is the root of the problem.
IFAB in particular (and FIFA if we really want to get to the very roots)
Although it's seemingly very obvious PGMOL work to this remit, they do however dismiss players for extraordinarily soft reasons on other occasions, like Shar-Gate (Newc v Southampton first game of the season). It just feeds into my (and most people's) narrative that they're collectively not good enough
There is however a very compelling counter-argument to my own argument, that is it's not the referees who are the problem, it's the organisations above them which are responsible. PGMOL and IFAB. I've always felt this is the root of the problem.
IFAB in particular (and FIFA if we really want to get to the very roots)
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I can see why it was missed on-pitch, Rob Jones was the wrong side of it and I don't think it would have looked as obvious from that angle. But there is absolutely zero excuse for VAR to miss it. I don't see how any referee can watch that on replays from multiple angles and say it wasn't SFP.
I've said this before, but Webb is almost certainly going to find himself at a point where he has to start formal disciplinary action against some of his officials. He would be perfectly justified in phoning the VAR officials to ask them what exactly they were doing at the time, incidents like this are calling his leadership ability into question.
I've said this before, but Webb is almost certainly going to find himself at a point where he has to start formal disciplinary action against some of his officials. He would be perfectly justified in phoning the VAR officials to ask them what exactly they were doing at the time, incidents like this are calling his leadership ability into question.
You're someone who is heavily inclined to back referees, so if you're raising the notion of disciplinary action, there has to be a serious underlying problem
I'm looking it it from a manager's perspective, if your employees keep making mistakes and you don't do something about it then it will be your job on the line. Have total sympathy with the on-pitch officials as the pace of the game, combined with the gamesmanship of players, makes it nigh on impossible sometimes to get to the right decision. But that is why we have VAR, and there is no excuse for someone watching this and not recommending a review.
Hopefully it is featured on the next mic'd up so we know what the process was and what happened. The only justification I can see is there's an issue with the tech, for example they aren't shown the clip that we have at the start of this post. But if they see it and say that it wasn't clear SFP that really calls into question their professional ability.
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I’d say there is a decent amount of force with this challenge.
But to take your sentence in face value; see the Fernandes challenge that was rescinded……
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It's about time we start having VAR only routes of refereeing.
We currently have middle route and assistant route only paths into the higher leagues, maybe it should have VAR only.
I only propose this because, clearly, we are needing more officials to be able to work in the PL than ever before. So standards have, to some degree, dropped. No longer are we getting the best 10 (20 if you're wanting 1 as 4th official, though with differing kick off times across potentially 4 days, you could 1 official do 1 middle and 1 4th official a week, thus technically only needing 10 main officials, and maybe a few back ups in case of injuries) referees doing the best 10 games the country are supposedly refereeing (that's no criticism as such but you really want your top 10 each week out there).
Currently there are 20 in select group 1 and 20 in select group 2.
40 referees (not including assts) to referee 10 PL games a week. Yes, I know some get championship games, but maybe we should go back to they stay in Championship until the time comes when they can step up permanently.
This way, referees can focus on the middle, and VAR specialists can focus on the VAR training aspect.
We currently have middle route and assistant route only paths into the higher leagues, maybe it should have VAR only.
I only propose this because, clearly, we are needing more officials to be able to work in the PL than ever before. So standards have, to some degree, dropped. No longer are we getting the best 10 (20 if you're wanting 1 as 4th official, though with differing kick off times across potentially 4 days, you could 1 official do 1 middle and 1 4th official a week, thus technically only needing 10 main officials, and maybe a few back ups in case of injuries) referees doing the best 10 games the country are supposedly refereeing (that's no criticism as such but you really want your top 10 each week out there).
Currently there are 20 in select group 1 and 20 in select group 2.
40 referees (not including assts) to referee 10 PL games a week. Yes, I know some get championship games, but maybe we should go back to they stay in Championship until the time comes when they can step up permanently.
This way, referees can focus on the middle, and VAR specialists can focus on the VAR training aspect.