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Wolves vs City

RefGod said:
As I said, my views are subjective and anecdotal. Select examples stemming from exceptionalism don’t change that.

My original comment was in this particular circumstance, it looks amateurish for a referee to be speaking side by side with an AR. I have only seen elite coaches question this sort of action and never endorse it.
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I was thinking about this again last night and I can actually sort of grasp a little bit why it perhaps wouldn't be a great idea to go over.

Imagined this conversation then gets replayed on Mic'd up, you can imagine what the general public would say!

AR: I've got Bernado Silva in an offside position, do you think he's in the line of sight?
CK: He's stood in front of the keeper as the header comes in, for me he possibly is
AR: That's offside for me then, happy for me to signal?
CK: Hold on a minute, I'm gonna come over and chat to you to sell it
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CK: Bernado Silva was in the line of sight of the keeper from the header, happy to award offside?
AR: Yes confirmed.
*AR Raises Flag*


OK it might not go down exactly like that, but it probably would look a bit odd played back.
 
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RustyRef said:
But at step 5, really? It is so transient at that level there is no concept of a big team, it changes every season. How would your subconscious decide whether ****fosters and Milton Keynes Irish who current occupy the top two places are bigger than the likes of Dunstable Town who have operated at a much higher level and have much more history, but sit in the lower part of the league?
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Well, I've refereed in front of 800 spectators at Step 5 (Jersey Bulls), although that is an exception to the rule
Usually the sides at the top of the league are significantly more difficult to referee than those at the bottom. It's not just their superior football that gets them promoted, it's the pressure they put in the referee and the way they intimidate their opponents
Anyway, I don't need to tell you that. I'm 3rd year L4 now and was referring back to one of the games I did in the first year as a L4. Even then, the game in question was not a massive issue, I just failed to give the bottom side a PK (which I ought to have given) when I reviewed it on Veo (then reflected on what might have influenced that decision). There's still plenty of scope to have decisions influenced at Step 5 (or even Step 6), although I'm pretty hardened to it all now with plenty of games under my belt

I just think that anyone who can relate to what I'm saying is less likely to be influenced by subconscious bias themselves

I've long since thought that we stop improving (aside from marginal tweaks) as referees after a certain number of years, beyond which the process is largely one of hardening ourselves to do the same sh1t under more and more pressure
 
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Big Cat said:
Well, I've refereed in front of 800 spectators at Step 5 (Jersey Bulls), although that is an exception to the rule
Usually the sides at the top of the league are significantly more difficult to referee than those at the bottom. It's not just their superior football that gets them promoted, it's the pressure they put in the referee and the way they intimidate their opponents
Anyway, I don't need to tell you that. I'm 3rd year L4 now and was referring back to one of the games I did in the first year as a L4. Even then, the game in question was not a massive issue, I just failed to give the bottom side a PK (which I ought to have given) when I reviewed it on Veo (then reflected on what might have influenced that decision). There's still plenty of scope to have decisions influenced at Step 5 (or even Step 6), although I'm pretty hardened to it all now with plenty of games under my belt

I just think that anyone who can relate to what I'm saying is less likely to be influenced by subconscious bias themselves

I've long since thought that we stop improving (aside from marginal tweaks) as referees after a certain number of years, beyond which the process is largely one of hardening ourselves to do the same sh1t under more and more pressure
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No one can ever stop improving (so long as they want to) because of the ever evolving game & Laws. Sometimes as you say it may only require small tweaks, but other times it may require more.
 
RefereeX said:
I was thinking about this again last night and I can actually sort of grasp a little bit why it perhaps wouldn't be a great idea to go over.

Imagined this conversation then gets replayed on Mic'd up, you can imagine what the general public would say!

AR: I've got Bernado Silva in an offside position, do you think he's in the line of sight?
CK: He's stood in front of the keeper as the header comes in, for me he possibly is
AR: That's offside for me then, happy for me to signal?
CK: Hold on a minute, I'm gonna come over and chat to you to sell it
...
...
...
CK: Bernado Silva was in the line of sight of the keeper from the header, happy to award offside?
AR: Yes confirmed.
*AR Raises Flag*


OK it might not go down exactly like that, but it probably would look a bit odd played back.
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But still wouldn't take as long as it did....
 
Big Cat said:
Well, I've refereed in front of 800 spectators at Step 5 (Jersey Bulls), although that is an exception to the rule
Usually the sides at the top of the league are significantly more difficult to referee than those at the bottom. It's not just their superior football that gets them promoted, it's the pressure they put in the referee and the way they intimidate their opponents
Anyway, I don't need to tell you that. I'm 3rd year L4 now and was referring back to one of the games I did in the first year as a L4. Even then, the game in question was not a massive issue, I just failed to give the bottom side a PK (which I ought to have given) when I reviewed it on Veo (then reflected on what might have influenced that decision). There's still plenty of scope to have decisions influenced at Step 5 (or even Step 6), although I'm pretty hardened to it all now with plenty of games under my belt

I just think that anyone who can relate to what I'm saying is less likely to be influenced by subconscious bias themselves

I've long since thought that we stop improving (aside from marginal tweaks) as referees after a certain number of years, beyond which the process is largely one of hardening ourselves to do the same sh1t under more and more pressure
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Never got to do Jersey Bulls when in the combined counties.
I left CC in 2019 due to moving away, and although came back for one more game at the end of 2019, it was only a local game in Ascot.
Lots of people said Jersey was a great experience.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
Never got to do Jersey Bulls when in the combined counties.
I left CC in 2019 due to moving away, and although came back for one more game at the end of 2019, it was only a local game in Ascot.
Lots of people said Jersey was a great experience.
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Combined Counties is a strange League in terms of attendances. Most sides get low numbers of spectators but each year there's a few home grounds that routinely get 500 or more

I live in an area of the country which seems to have the lowest attendances. Bushey (near Watford) surrounded by Step 5, 4 and 3 clubs who get paltry numbers turning up to watch them. Not unusual for me to be on the line Step 3 with 100 or so lonely souls. Quite normal for my Step 5 games to get <50..... small catchment areas etc.... lots of clubs in close proximity

Just like Police Officers, we'd often like to mirror behaviour back in the direction it came from, but we can't because we're held to higher standard of account and must be canny with what we say, especially when using authoritative robust or industrial language
 
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