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U8's non competitive

The Ginger Ref

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Level 7 Referee
I'm trying to ask this as diplomatically as possible because it’s a genuine question.

I received an email from a local club asking for referees to officiate their under-8s non-competitive games.

My question is: What’s the point?

I struggle to see how refereeing a game like this—especially one that’s non-competitive—would be beneficial for a referee’s development. The pitch is only a third of the size of a full pitch, so it wouldn't really help with practicing positioning or mastering the "lazy S" movement. In fact, it may have a detrimental impact as you spend most the game trying to get out the way. I know others have expressed previously that mini soccer can be helpful for newly qualified referees, particularly youth referees looking for experience, I’m still not convinced that officiating under-8s games would provide meaningful development.

Another concern I have is why clubs are trying to pull referees away from competitive matches that could genuinely benefit from officiating (sure, in an ideal world every game has a referee, but we know that isn't the case). I find this even more frustrating as the club in question happens to be a club I refereed for as part of my qualifying matches and was told it was the first time they’d (U14s) had a referee all season!

Clubs should consider implementing a refereeing initiative. For example, they could sponsor their U15, U16, and U18 players to take the refereeing course, covering the cost of the fees. In return, these newly qualified referees would officiate the younger age groups as part of their development in the first year.
 
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League Appointments Secretaries are short of referees at U13/U12/U11, and don't appoint to younger age levels as a referee is unnecessary and the games are non-competitive (results not published, developmental rather than competitive)
The older players being trained as referees works in many areas, then they can be used for U11 to U13.
 
Reffed my sons u7s for the first time this morning. 2 fouls in 40 mins, certainly doesn't need a 'proper' ref.

Manager of the other team was an ex step 6 player I'd reffed a few times in the past which was an amusing coincidence
So, you did your normal performance then....
How was your fitness, did you keep up with play?
 
I'm trying to ask this as diplomatically as possible because it’s a genuine question.

I received an email from a local club asking for referees to officiate their under-8s non-competitive games.

My question is: What’s the point?

I struggle to see how refereeing a game like this—especially one that’s non-competitive—would be beneficial for a referee’s development. The pitch is only a third of the size of a full pitch, so it wouldn't really help with practicing positioning or mastering the "lazy S" movement. In fact, it may have a detrimental impact as you spend most the game trying to get out the way. I know others have expressed previously that mini soccer can be helpful for newly qualified referees, particularly youth referees looking for experience, I’m still not convinced that officiating under-8s games would provide meaningful development.

Another concern I have is why clubs are trying to pull referees away from competitive matches that could genuinely benefit from officiating (sure, in an ideal world every game has a referee, but we know that isn't the case). I find this even more frustrating as the club in question happens to be a club I refereed for as part of my qualifying matches and was told it was the first time they’d (U14s) had a referee all season!

Clubs should consider implementing a refereeing initiative. For example, they could sponsor their U15, U16, and U18 players to take the refereeing course, covering the cost of the fees. In return, these newly qualified referees would officiate the younger age groups as part of their development in the first year.
As others have said, it is simply the coaching team don't want to do it and nobody else has volunteered.

As with every now in life, "I don't want to do it, so I will pay some else to do it".

The club has more money than volunteers!
 
From the other side of The Pond...

Wow! Dismissive! Here are my two cents (excuse me: "pence") worth...

Sorry, but it's not about us, it's about those little kids - the future of the sport. Over here, between 1/4 and 1/2 of all kids quit after as little as one year on the pitch - it's just no fun for them.

Good referees who make the game safe, fair, and fun for the players, who patiently correct their throw-ins, explain fouls (not just why it's wrong, but how to do it right), affirm them as players ("good job!"), give a quick tip to the struggling keeper (what "making yourself big" really means), share some real excitement, and hold the adults to account, are doing God's work.

They create safe spaces that keep kids in the game and teach them good habits and proper play. This elevates the caliber of play at higher levels. (And, by the way, can both civilize and educate parents and coaches - making life better for "higher level" referees.)

I treat those WeeOne games as a privilege and train my mentees to view things the same way.
 
From the other side of The Pond...

Wow! Dismissive! Here are my two cents (excuse me: "pence") worth...

Sorry, but it's not about us, it's about those little kids - the future of the sport. Over here, between 1/4 and 1/2 of all kids quit after as little as one year on the pitch - it's just no fun for them.

Good referees who make the game safe, fair, and fun for the players, who patiently correct their throw-ins, explain fouls (not just why it's wrong, but how to do it right), affirm them as players ("good job!"), give a quick tip to the struggling keeper (what "making yourself big" really means), share some real excitement, and hold the adults to account, are doing God's work.

They create safe spaces that keep kids in the game and teach them good habits and proper play. This elevates the caliber of play at higher levels. (And, by the way, can both civilize and educate parents and coaches - making life better for "higher level" referees.)

I treat those WeeOne games as a privilege and train my mentees to view things the same way.
Nice to hear, but in England the games played by children aged 6-8 are just fun for them, with no publication of results or league tables allowed, then gradually we introduce a competitive element as they get to 9-10. There are no throws-in to learn in the younger age groups, as they have been replaced by kick-in's or dribble-in's, and heading is not allowed, keeping them as safe as possible. Our main shortage area for referees is in youth football (ages 11 upwards) and Mini Soccer (age 10 or lower) so we encourage new referees to start with U-10 or U-9 matches to get used to the role, then to consider moving into youth football when they fancy doing so.
Our professional academies have three officials on all their games, including the lower age groups, but with a finite resource it does not make sense to allocate qualified referees to the WeeOne games when a parent or coach could keep the time and score, and show the direction of restart.
 
In the US, AYSOis the biggest league for the young ages. We use refs—all refs in AYSO our volunteers. At this age it is typically parents of the teams that are playing who receive a half-day training. That’s really all that is needed. (And some of those u-little ref volunteers become the ref volunteers to do the next ages, and eventually morph into some of the volunteers to do the older games.
 
Nice to hear, but in England the games played by children aged 6-8 are just fun for them, with no publication of results or league tables allowed, then gradually we introduce a competitive element as they get to 9-10. There are no throws-in to learn in the younger age groups, as they have been replaced by kick-in's or dribble-in's, and heading is not allowed, keeping them as safe as possible. Our main shortage area for referees is in youth football (ages 11 upwards) and Mini Soccer (age 10 or lower) so we encourage new referees to start with U-10 or U-9 matches to get used to the role, then to consider moving into youth football when they fancy doing so.
Our professional academies have three officials on all their games, including the lower age groups, but with a finite resource it does not make sense to allocate qualified referees to the WeeOne games when a parent or coach could keep the time and score, and show the direction of restart.
I'm in England, and trust me, its not just for fun when you hear some of the language and arguing from the parents and the coaches. Some of these games "do" need proper refs
 
I started on Mini-Soccer games thinking it would be a great way to adjust to refereeing. If I'm being perfectly honest, I was wasting my time - it is completely different to refereeing U11s up. I don't cover those matches anymore. That being said, the youth league that I ref on when I don't have open age appointments do cover as many of their mini-soccer matches as possible. One reason for this is that we are lucky and have the referees to cover most of the games, as the league covers areas under at least 2 (if not more) CFAs. Another reason? It's the same CFA and only 45 mins away from where those parents were fighting at an U10s match. For those reasons, we always try and get someone completely separate from the clubs there just in case (we have a big issue with participant behaviour in my area). It is useful for some though so recently I've decided taking an opinion as neutral as possible on this. I do generally agree though that we should prioritise covering older age groups if needed.
 
Having been a regular reffing my sons under 7’s game last season it was apparent at a few of the games they could have descended into chaos had I not been there to control it. Couple of games with parents giving me grief over throw ins ultimately resulting in them being removed from the vicinity of the field of play. One of them got banned for 6 weeks from playing for his Saturday league side
 
I'm in England, and trust me, its not just for fun when you hear some of the language and arguing from the parents and the coaches. Some of these games "do" need proper refs
Rubbish. Really young kids do NOT need a proper qualified referee to facilitate a game of football. Get real!!
 
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