The Ref Stop

Rolling Ball Restart - Advantage

The Ref Stop
es1 said:
Bah, wouldn't...
Click to expand...
From 1000+ matches, I reckon I could probably count on one hand the number of times where advantage could have been applied from an incorrectly taken restart (and none whatsoever that actually come to mind at the moment)... but it's nice to have it there if needed!
 
  • Like
Reactions: es1
Russell Jones said:
I think the biggest benefit of the overall Law change will be the ability in Youth Football to sometimes allow play to continue from the multitude of genuinely foul throws ….
Click to expand...
This was my first thought. There are so many foul throws in youth football where possession changes anyway. No point in stop start if it can be avoided
 
I understand the concept and thinking behind it, but rolling restarts should be the one thing that must be taken correctly or the ball isn't in play at all. There is already a lot of confusion and lack of consensus regarding "common sense" or "by the book" approaches to things like goal kicks and whether the ball is in play or not. This'll only exacerbate that existing grey area where previously there was none.
 
LXIV said:
I understand the concept and thinking behind it, but rolling restarts should be the one thing that must be taken correctly or the ball isn't in play at all. There is already a lot of confusion and lack of consensus regarding "common sense" or "by the book" approaches to things like goal kicks and whether the ball is in play or not. This'll only exacerbate that existing grey area where previously there was none.
Click to expand...
O don’t see a problem added to by this. If the R thinks it was taken, it was taken. Most rolling starts are when a team rushes to try to do something, if they do it poorly and it goes to the other team, we ignore it. (I’m not so much a fan of the change as think it is harmless.)
 
How about if they deliberately bounce it so that they can kick it high and far. Do you wait a few seconds to see if advantage can be played?

And if this changr makes sense why is it that an own goal can not be scored from a direct free kick (and other restarts)? That is the ultimate advantage.

Obviously I am not happy with this change.
 
hmm...good point ! 🤔 what it's bouncing a little as it moves ? Is that a rolling ball (that you can play an advantage to the oppo for) or a retake as it wasn't actually rolling ?
 
@one Penalty kick that rolls off the spot just before it's kicked. No retake if you miss, not even sure if it would count as a goal if they scored (for potential retake purposes).
 
bester said:
@one Penalty kick that rolls off the spot just before it's kicked. No retake if you miss, not even sure if it would count as a goal if they scored (for potential retake purposes).
Click to expand...

If it scores, then there is no advantage to apply and the PK has not been taken as the ball was not properly put into play at all.
 
socal lurker said:
If it scores, then there is no advantage to apply and the PK has not been taken as the ball was not properly put into play at all.
Click to expand...
I think the ball was put ito play as it would have been kicked and clearly moved. If the ball is not put into play even if he doesn't score advantage can't be played.
The new advantage from restart can only apply if the ball is put into play, for which the definition is independent of the resrat process. For example for TI ball is in play once it enters the FOP which has nothing to do with the process followed to cause that condition.
 
one said:
I think the ball was put ito play as it would have been kicked and clearly moved. If the ball is not put into play even if he doesn't score advantage can't be played.
The new advantage from restart can only apply if the ball is put into play, for which the definition is independent of the resrat process. For example for TI ball is in play once it enters the FOP which has nothing to do with the process followed to cause that condition.
Click to expand...
Fair enough. The reason advantage previously couldn’t be applied was the idea the ball was not properly in play. I guess that concept is wiped out by saying advantage can apply. (A bad change IMO, but no one asked me.) I think it does create a change that a missed PK on a rolling ball is still a miss. But I think it is retaken if it scores because either it isn’t “really” properly in play or it scored and was not one of the Pk offenses that forfeits the kick, so the result is a retake.
 
  • Like
Reactions: one
socal lurker said:
Fair enough. The reason advantage previously couldn’t be applied was the idea the ball was not properly in play. I guess that concept is wiped out by saying advantage can apply. (A bad change IMO, but no one asked me.) I think it does create a change that a missed PK on a rolling ball is still a miss. But I think it is retaken if it scores because either it isn’t “really” properly in play or it scored and was not one of the Pk offenses that forfeits the kick, so the result is a retake.
Click to expand...
I don't like the change either because it creates a mess and many as yet undefined scenarios like your penalty kick example where a number of different outcomes can be interpreted. See this post I made back in April for some other examples.
one

Post in thread 'IFAB changes for 26-27'

As per usual, IFAB has not thought through some of these changes, their wider impact and consequences

Law4.
Accessories/jewellery - I think giving the referees the discretion is good. There will be some pain short term to set the benchmark for what is acceptable and what is not. After that I think the change is for the better.

Law 5,
Advantage on incorrectly taken restart - This is opening a can of worms as the restart laws are not 'properly' defined to accommodate it. There will be many more changes to come. What is an "incorrectly taken restart" for each restart...
  • Love
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top