Gillingham Vs Crawley

[wazztie16]

Gillingham 2–2 Crawley | League Two Highlights

Highlights of the Sky Bet League Two game between Gillingham and Crawley Town.

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Start at 2:30

Corner comes in, ball comes back to taker straight from an attacking player, flag goes up just after the original taker touches the ball the second time.

Ball lofted in and Dack scores, but seems most likely everyone (and definitely one of the commentators) think the AR has made a mistake.

If only they knew the laws, signals, timings etc...

 

[DavidObs]

Gillingham 2–2 Crawley | League Two Highlights

Highlights of the Sky Bet League Two game between Gillingham and Crawley Town.

www.skysports.com

Start at 2:30

Corner comes in, ball comes back to taker straight from an attacking player, flag goes up just after the original taker touches the ball the second time.

Ball lofted in and Dack scores, but seems most likely everyone (and definitely one of the commentators) think the AR has made a mistake.

If only they knew the laws, signals, timings etc...

In the same game, there was a penalty awarded to Gillingham for handball. It is reasonable to say that from the replays it is doubtful it was a handball, but there is also an angle sky provided which was almost from behind the Referee who saw the arm of the defender raised at the time of impact & at speed, so I could see why he gave it.

 

[DJIC]

What are we seeing here?

Blue takes the corner, Blue striker ‘may have’ flicked it, Red defender clears the ball.

Blue corner taker is now deemed offside, but red was the last player to play the ball.

What I am missing that this is offside?

 

[DavidObs]

You have seen it how it was.

 

[Big Cat]

What are we seeing here?

Blue takes the corner, Blue striker ‘may have’ flicked it, Red defender clears the ball.

Blue corner taker is now deemed offside, but red was the last player to play the ball.

What I am missing that this is offside?

Indeed, the AR has made a mistake

 

[DavidObs]

Indeed, the AR has made a mistake

Looks like he had something on his mind with what had occurred because as soon as the player played the ball into the box he raised his flag without being aligned with the 2nd rear most defender. It has to be a lack of concentration/focus, but costly.

 

[Big Cat]

Looks like he had something on his mind with what had occurred because as soon as the player played the ball into the box he raised his flag without being aligned with the 2nd rear most defender. It has to be a lack of concentration/focus, but costly.

No chance I'd make that mistake. I'm nowhere near sharp enough to notice anything 'clever'
I was at Borehamwood v Tamworth yesterday. I thought the Referee was excellent, but it was very noticeable (to the trained eye) just how busy he and his Assistants were scoring points. I wonder if this AR was duped by the 'opportunity' to spot something very difficult to pick up on.
Unfortunately, 'that thing' didn't happen

 

[DavidObs]

No chance I'd make that mistake. I'm nowhere near sharp enough to notice anything 'clever'
I was at Borehamwood v Tamworth yesterday. I thought the Referee was excellent, but it was very noticeable (to the trained eye) just how busy he and his Assistants were scoring points. I wonder if this AR was duped by the 'opportunity' to spot something very difficult to pick up on.
Unfortunately, 'that thing' didn't happen

I think that is exactly what could have happened, though there was enough happening in this game from their point of view in terms of tight active/non offsides for them to undertake their main role.

 

[Russell Jones]

Based on the timing of the flag and the indication that the offence is ‘near side’ he has 100% given this against the corner kick taker. This player is definitely on his right hand side (and therefore in an offside position) at the time the ball is played in the penalty area.

For this to be an offside offence, two things need to be true. Firstly, there needs to have been an attacking touch in the penalty area … very tough to judge from the video. Secondly, the defender touch needs to be classed as a deflection rather than a deliberate play. This is subjective (based on the multitude of considerations) but on balance I’d view this as a deliberate play. I’d expect both of these pieces of information to come over the comms from the referee in this situation rather than being assessed by the AR.

 

[DavidObs]

Based on the timing of the flag and the indication that the offence is ‘near side’ he has 100% given this against the corner kick taker. This player is definitely on his right hand side (and therefore in an offside position) at the time the ball is played in the penalty area.

For this to be an offside offence, two things need to be true. Firstly, there needs to have been an attacking touch in the penalty area … very tough to judge from the video. Secondly, the defender touch needs to be classed as a deflection rather than a deliberate play. This is subjective (based on the multitude of considerations) but on balance I’d view this as a deliberate play. I’d expect both of these pieces of information to come over the comms from the referee in this situation rather than being assessed by the AR.

I’ve watched it a few times now and can definitely see where you are coming from. So rather than being unfocused as I initially thought, the AR was fully attuned.

 

[bester]

Attacker may have got a touch before the defender played it but that's very clearly a deliberate play by the defender.

 

[DavidObs]

Gillingham 2–2 Crawley | League Two Highlights

Highlights of the Sky Bet League Two game between Gillingham and Crawley Town.

www.skysports.com

Start at 2:30

Corner comes in, ball comes back to taker straight from an attacking player, flag goes up just after the original taker touches the ball the second time.

Ball lofted in and Dack scores, but seems most likely everyone (and definitely one of the commentators) think the AR has made a mistake.

If only they knew the laws, signals, timings etc...

How on earth you spotted that at the time is a question I would ask, but since you did, great spot.

 

[wazztie16]

How on earth you spotted that at the time is a question I would ask, but since you did, great spot.

I was watching the game last night and noticed it live, then got really annoyed with the commentator banging on about how wrong the officials were or had made a major error.

Right or wrong decision, it wasn't about Dack!

 

[DavidObs]

I was watching the game last night and noticed it live, then got really annoyed with the commentator banging on about how wrong the officials were or had made a major error.

Right or wrong decision, it wasn't about Dack!

All I can say is very well done & I was also watching live but dipping in and out. However, it was especially not easy to detect even with replays they showed because they only featured on the cross into Dack. The same commentator was harsh on other decisions throughout the game with almost the best view in the house being at the back of the high stand as well as having the replays to hand, which includes the penalty.

 

[wazztie16]

All I can say is very well done & I was also watching live but dipping in and out. However, it was especially not easy to detect even with replays they showed because they only featured on the cross into Dack. The same commentator was harsh on other decisions throughout the game with almost the best view in the house being at the back of the high stand as well as having the replays to hand, which includes the penalty.

Thank you, and I agree. Not a good sound for someone who I would expect to be more professional in their opinions.

 

[RefereeX]

Surely, regardless of who plays it first, if there is a touch by the attacker in the area (which I believe there is) then this has to be offside.

If the defender touches it first, then on to the attacker, then back to the corner taker, it’s a simple offside as last played by the attacker before going back to the offside player.

If the attacker flicks it on to the defender, then it goes back to the corner taker, how could that be a deliberate play? He’s had no time to react to the flick on whatsoever.

I fully believe this is a correct decision.

 

[Russell Jones]

Surely, regardless of who plays it first, if there is a touch by the attacker in the area (which I believe there is) then this has to be offside.

If the defender touches it first, then on to the attacker, then back to the corner taker, it’s a simple offside as last played by the attacker before going back to the offside player.

If the attacker flicks it on to the defender, then it goes back to the corner taker, how could that be a deliberate play? He’s had no time to react to the flick on whatsoever.

I fully believe this is a correct decision.

Having now watched the MOAS footage, I believe the decision is correct. The defender's clearance deflects off the attacker on it's way back to the CK taker, who was in an offside position at the time of the deflection. Only additional thing the AR could have done to 'sell' the decision would have been to sidestep up to level with where the offence actually occured.

Whilst in reality irrelevant to the actual decision, for me the defender's clearance is a deliberate play. It's a controlled clearance (despite any potential prior attacking touch) with the ball going largely where intended.

 

[RefereeX]

Having now watched the MOAS footage, I believe the decision is correct. The defender's clearance deflects off the attacker on it's way back to the CK taker, who was in an offside position at the time of the deflection. Only additional thing the AR could have done to 'sell' the decision would have been to sidestep up to level with where the offence actually occured.

Whilst in reality irrelevant to the actual decision, for me the defender's clearance is a deliberate play. It's a controlled clearance (despite any potential prior attacking touch) with the ball going largely where intended.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the second part. I think any touch off the attacker in that scenario means the play by the defender can’t be a deliberate play in law, as he has zero time to react to it. (Obviously as you say, irrelevant, as there was no touch before the defender’s).

Interestingly (or maybe not depending on what you find interesting), the referee here, Mr Howard, has been out injured and is only just coming back, but has been busy (while not being too ‘busy’) in the VAR booth.

 

[Russell Jones]

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the second part. I think any touch off the attacker in that scenario means the play by the defender can’t be a deliberate play in law, as he has zero time to react to it. (Obviously as you say, irrelevant, as there was no touch before the defender’s).

Respect where you are coming from. And shows the inherent difficulty of Deliberate v Deflection! For me though, in this case, any attacking touch has been so slight as to have not inconvenienced / stopped the defender doing exactly what he intended. If it looks and smells like a controlled clearance then it probably is one! Obviously if a more significant attacking touch had led to a misplaced, out of control play by the defender then that would be different

 

[DavidObs]

Respect where you are coming from. And shows the inherent difficulty of Deliberate v Deflection! For me though, in this case, any attacking touch has been so slight as to have not inconvenienced / stopped the defender doing exactly what he intended. If it looks and smells like a controlled clearance then it probably is one! Obviously if a more significant attacking touch had led to a misplaced, out of control play by the defender then that would be different

And for the purposes of this incident without the use of VAR, surely we have to say that the AR was not incorrect to advise & the Referee was not incorrect to support/make the decision.