8 second law example

[RefJef]

I came across this on Twitter/X . Scroll forward to about 1 min 10 secs in: keeper catches the ball from a corner, ends up being penalised for holding the ball for more than 8 seconds. Have a watch and see what you think. Keeper could have got to his feet quicker, but I think this has been called too quick.

Thoughts?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1956015887183483079

 

[Samuel]

I did my own count while watching this and even then I was between 4/3 left so would probably agree that the referee on this game needs a bit of additional guidance regarding this. Will be tough for him if that's the speed he is doing all season.

Edit: Strictly speaking from the moment he caught it, it was 8 seconds (1:16-1:24)

 

[wazztie16]

I counted to 5 before he released the ball, I started when the player patted the goalkeeper. At that point all players were starting to move away and I was happy the GK was in control.

 

[Archer]

From the moment he TOUCHES the ball to whistle, 8.9s.

It's a terrible call.

Like others, "my 8" starts when his defender pats him, and I'm putting the arm up with 5 just as he releases it.

 

[RustyRef]

Very over enthusiastic referee, he's obviously counted from the second the keeper caught the ball, and even that is harsh. He has 3 or more likely 4 seconds left when he is penalised.

 

[bester]

He's blowing less than 3 seconds after he shouts 5. He's a fast counter, and may also be counting up to 8.

 

[JamesL]

Im unsurprised by this. We have discussed at length with almost certainty that these types of situations would occur.

 

[Hilly1618]

The guidance I was provided by our RDO was clear and anyone present at this LOTG update should not have interpreted the guidance in anyway that would result in penalising the gk in that instance.

 

[lincs22]

The test of this is tonight in the opening EPL game (or more likely on Monday when Pickford plays - being one of the most time wasting keepers we see on TV)

If the referees start awarding corners over this weekend, then we can d code it is a good law change. If they don't, then nobody will be bothered for the rest of the season - until a small club plays a "big 6" in a cup match and are.leading, then it will be enforced to get the big 6 club a chance to equalise

 

[BillG]

I did my own count while watching this and even then I was between 4/3 left so would probably agree that the referee on this game needs a bit of additional guidance regarding this. Will be tough for him if that's the speed he is doing all season.

Edit: Strictly speaking from the moment he caught it, it was 8 seconds (1:16-1:24)

The guidance to Referee’s ; If the G/K has made a difficult save or saves then give him a FEW seconds to regain his composure. If it’s an easy save and he goes to ground you start counting straight away.

 

[CaptainsPlease]

This is the inevitable outcome of writing law that doesn't mean what it says.

 

[one]

Or more so it doesn't say what it means.

There will be some poor calls before it becomes more consistent. Referees on TV games can help a lot if they are willing to. Most grassroot referees will learn the application of this law from what they see on TV. Given there hasn't been much of it, we will see a variety of application.

I agree with most above, point of first pat is a good time to start the 8 count. But of course by definition of law, he had control a few seconds earlier.

 

[Runner Ref]

This is exactly the discussion we had on the initial thread about the 8 second change.

Law says it’s once the goalkeeper has control. Law the has a definition of the goalkeeper having control.

Then the 8 second law seemingly has a different definition, without specifically saying there is a different definition.

 

[Peter Grove]

This is exactly the discussion we had on the initial thread about the 8 second change.

Law says it’s once the goalkeeper has control. Law the has a definition of the goalkeeper having control.

Then the 8 second law seemingly has a different definition, without specifically saying there is a different definition.

This. If you give a whole, detailed definition of when a goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball and then say, that when it comes to the 8 second rule, "the referee will decide when the goalkeeper has control of the ball," without giving any indication that the prior definition can be in any way altered, where does that leave us?

 

[Kes]

I think we're all agreed the ref blew too early.

 

[DavidObs]

This. If you give a whole, detailed definition of when a goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball and then say, that when it comes to the 8 second rule, "the referee will decide when the goalkeeper has control of the ball," without giving any indication that the prior definition can be in any way altered, where does that leave us?

It leaves Referees a bit of wriggle room & perhaps not to be so strict when being proactive is now key to managing incidents such as this. I agree with James that because of what Law says there was always going to be occasions such as the incident described, but in my world, it shouldn’t happen.

 

[Runner Ref]

It leaves Referees a bit of wriggle room & perhaps not to be so strict when being proactive is now key to managing incidents such as this. I agree with James that because of what Law says there was always going to be occasions such as the incident described, but in my world, it shouldn’t happen.

There is a definition of when the goalkeeper is deemed to have control. That is then contradicted by the 8 second law.

If the goalkeeper having control is different to when you start the count, that needs to be defined in law. As things are, the referee was technically correct in that clip, if he believes the 8 count was up (did it myself on my phone then from the moment keeper catches it and it’s borderline 8).

 

[DavidObs]

There is a definition of when the goalkeeper is deemed to have control. That is then contradicted by the 8 second law.

If the goalkeeper having control is different to when you start the club, that needs to be defined in law. As things are, the referee was technically correct in that clip, if he believes the 8 count was up (did it myself on my phone then from the moment keeper catches it and it’s borderline 8).

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I truly get that, but then that reminds me of Clive Thomas blowing up for full time at the time of a cross before the ball going into the net for a disallowed goal in the World Cup!

 

[one]

I think I have mentioned this before. The issue we have will be solved with the addition of a few words

... the 8 second will begin "at the first opportunity the goalkeeper has to release the ball," and will visually...

 

[Sillygoose12]

During Tottenham v Burnley today, MO was very strict on the 8 seconds, which is good to see that an example is being set by some. First countdown of the game, Dubravka was penalised for taking too long.