RichardRef
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Ref didn’t call anything on field. VAR sent him to screen to check for Violent Conduct. Ref goes yellow. Not the best angle but the best I can find. What we thinking?
Che v Bou - brooks challenge
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I was watching this game and I think the referee was saying to Brooks it's a yellow card because he caught the Chelsea player on the shoulder rather than the face or even his hair.
You like to think with all the cameras there are, they would give the referee much better angles but apparently there wasn't any. Every angle they did show was too far away to make an absolute certainty where the point of contact was.
You like to think with all the cameras there are, they would give the referee much better angles but apparently there wasn't any. Every angle they did show was too far away to make an absolute certainty where the point of contact was.
I agree with this logic. Shoulder pull or impact is probably yellow, hair pull at that speed is definitely red. And if you don't have an angle that definitely shows hair, go yellow. Will be very interesting to find out what was actually shown.
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My player brain tells me it’s even after Cucurella left far more force on Brooks earlier in the game. But both are probably bookings
Not a great video to make a decision, but it feels to me that this was nowhere near being enough for a VAR recommendation.
Cucurella does have history for this, and I do wonder what he was doing here. Keeper has the ball and is looking to release, and the natural reaction would be to run towards the half way line, not directly towards the touchline and running directly into Brooks. Feels like he has deliberately initiated the contact with Brooks.
Chelsea keeper has the ball here, the normal reaction would to run into space, but Cucurella is looking at Brooks. The normal footballing action here would be to run towards the far corner flag, not horizontally across the pitch, it just makes no sense.
Cucurella does have history for this, and I do wonder what he was doing here. Keeper has the ball and is looking to release, and the natural reaction would be to run towards the half way line, not directly towards the touchline and running directly into Brooks. Feels like he has deliberately initiated the contact with Brooks.
Chelsea keeper has the ball here, the normal reaction would to run into space, but Cucurella is looking at Brooks. The normal footballing action here would be to run towards the far corner flag, not horizontally across the pitch, it just makes no sense.
TheCuriousOne
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But it's not just a pull? It's an arm to the face when the player is running at speed. He properly plants inside of the elbow on Cucurella's face while not even trying to play the ball. I'd understand that it's a yellow if he would have caught him around torso, but it was in his face.
https://as.com/futbol/2020/02/26/videos/1582696545_468368.html - this was some 5 years ago, where Marcos Alonso got a red for a challenge that's not as bad as today's one.
https://as.com/futbol/2020/02/26/videos/1582696545_468368.html - this was some 5 years ago, where Marcos Alonso got a red for a challenge that's not as bad as today's one.
TheCuriousOne
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Does it really matter where Cucurella runs? He shouldn't put out an arm so much so that he plants it in the opponent's face. Especially that the arm goes in the direction of Cucurella's face if you watch the video in the slow-mo, so it was a deliberate action. Not to mention that Brooks is keeping an eye on Cucurella the whole time, so it's not like he didn't expect him there.
A player running in the direction of you instead of space doesn't give you the right to just chop him down, does it?
TheCuriousOne
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Also the Christie challenge for the Reece James free kick - that's pretty much a second yellow, completely misses the ball and takes out the player from behind.
Because you have to look at what he was doing and what his intentions were. The keeper hasn't released the ball at this point, so there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for him to run directly into Brooks. Had he been running into the direction that the ball would likely be released and Brooks had come across him with his arm I might agree with you, but all Cucurella did here was to deliberately run into a player to try and manufacture an outcome. Something he has done many times before unfortunately.
TheCuriousOne
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But you have to first look at the intentions of Brooks in this situation, don't you? Doesn't matter what Cucurella does. And Brooks clearly looks at him for a few seconds before pulling out an arm and catching him fully in the face.
I agree that Cucurella runs in his direction, but Brooks bought it and fell for it, but for some reason Rob Jones decided to forgive him. Is it a natural position of Brooks' arm? You basically want to say that Brooks can punch him in the face and get away with a yellow because Cucurella dares to run in his direction instead of where is space...
Gonna have to ask, are you a Chelsea fan, as you are looking at this as a fan / player / manager rather than as a referee?
I am a little confused, I didn't think a referee could issue a caution directly from a VAR intervention? Have I got that wrong? The IFAB VAR principles seem to suggest that isn't permitted
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TheCuriousOne
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Can you answer the questions that I posed previously? Don't you have to look at the intentions of Brooks first? No eye on the ball, clearly looking for a while on Cucurella before swinging out his arm and catching him fully in the face when the ball is nowhere near.
You answer my question first. Remember that this is strictly a refereeing forum, not a fans forum.
TheCuriousOne
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It doesn't say that you cannot issue a yellow card. It just says that you cannot initiate a review if VAR thinks it's a yellow card offence to begin with. In this case they thought it was a direct red card offence, so they suggested review for a missed incident, but Rob Jones disagreed with them and so gave a yellow card, which is absolutely fine.I am a little confused, I didn't think a referee could issue a caution directly from a VAR intervention? Have I got that wrong? The IFAB VAR principles seem to suggest that isn't permitted
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TheCuriousOne
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It doesn't say that fans cannot interact here. Anyway, don't know why you don't want to answer my questions, but in any walk of life (not just refereeing) it makes sense to first look at the intentions of the rule breaker before even trying to look if it's necessary to look at the intentions of the one who was at the other end of the incident.
I don't know how a referee can think that just because a player might have been "looking for it" allows the offender to then smash his arm in the other's face (while fully looking at him beforehand and then making a deliberate movement towards the other player's face with his arm) and getting away with a yellow.
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Were the attackers 1m from the wall for the winner?
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If that’s the only angle they have of the incident, then that’s embarrassingly poor. But I think this is a case of a player getting revenge for an earlier coming together.
Footage from this incident isn’t great, but it reminds me of this one from earlier in the season
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Footage from this incident isn’t great, but it reminds me of this one from earlier in the season
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19 seconds · Clipped by Camden · Original video "The Cherries DENIED late winner by VAR 😨❌ | Bournemouth 1-1 Newcastle | Premier League Highlights" by Sky ...
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ladbroke8745
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I was thinking the same.
Literally every response has been fan related posts.
Also, 8 posts since joining a couple of weeks ago and 7 of them, if counted correctly, in here.