Spurs vs Liverpool

[Russell Jones]

I personally think the Kane foul (red card) and the Jota penalty (significant push in the back) are both worthy of on field review. I just wish that on field review was less 'nailed on' for the decision to be changed. Let's give the referee another look but properly back him if he stays with his initial decision!

That said, I thought the third team allowed the delivery of an awesome game of football. And the three yellow cards for dissent / DTR were especially pleasing to see and a great support for officials lower down the pyramid

 

[cwyeary]

There was a hint of retaliation in Robertson too, having just been tackled and dispossessed by said player

On UEFA's RAP scale, I'd put Robertson's as a 10 and Kane as a 9. Both worthy of an OFR though.

 

[santa sangria]

I’m trying to learn from this.., the penalty decisions today… the ref cut the grass on the Jota one, possibly the Alli one too,

i think that is the learning. By cutting the grass on the Jota push in the back, the ref had made the rod for his own back. VAR knows the ref will defend his decision so it’s mucj harder to call it C&O and recommend review.

Obvs one does not have VAR but the same can happen at lower levels, with ARs, and especially with comms.

If you cut the grass and it is not 100% crystal you can come away looking very silly and/or losing match control, depending on which of your colleagues, players or audience have seen the offence.

 

[RustyRef]

I guess I disagree I think Robertson's is worse. I think they're both red cards but Kanes was more of a motion of studs grazing down a shin pad of an elevated foot while Robertson's was a very violent kick which arguably could have broke someone's leg. Robertson's was much more likely to cause serious injury.

Have to disagree, the only reason Kane's didn't risk very serious injury was that Robertson saw it coming and got his foot off the floor. Robertson's was bad as well, but I think a player launching themselves effectively using their body as a missle is worse and more dangerous than a kick out.

 

[Joshref]

Rusty said he felt new guidance was already out.

Really grinds my gears when people sit and call their colleagues decisions dodgy. If you go out and get every decision correct then fair enough but I can pretty certainly say you don't.
No referee in the history of the game ever has..

Apologies for misreading him.

Not apologising for calling the decisions dodgy though. I don’t go out and get every decision right nor am I saying they should. My point was, there’s been a lot of calls in the last few weeks I disagree with. Especially with VAR, I feel a lot of these should have been eradicated

 

[JamesL]

Apologies for misreading him.

Not apologising for calling the decisions dodgy though. I don’t go out and get every decision right nor am I saying they should. My point was, there’s been a lot of calls in the last few weeks I disagree with. Especially with VAR, I feel a lot of these should have been eradicated

Fine with your latter phrasing... Calling decision dodgy has connotations.

 

[DJIC]

I guess I disagree I think Robertson's is worse. I think they're both red cards but Kanes was more of a motion of studs grazing down a shin pad of an elevated foot while Robertson's was a very violent kick which arguably could have broke someone's leg. Robertson's was much more likely to cause serious injury.

I think Kane’s challenge was the leg breaker, he was sprinting at full pace, only Robertson‘s action of jumping two foot into the air, prevented his leg being planted. Robertson tackle still red but was likely only to result in bruising.

However was that the one of best game of the season so far?

Serious foul play​

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

 

[RustyRef]

The explanations reported as coming out from PGMOL are even more bizarre. Seemingly the challenge on Jota wasn't a penalty as he had deliberately stopped to draw the contact, whereas in reality he had slowed down to steady himself to shoot at goal. And Kane's wasn't red because of the low speed and intensity of the challenge - err, he was running at speed and launched himself into the tackle.

 

[bloovee]

Fair enough. Obviously it was more than a yellow, but didn’t hear if there was any response about why it wasn’t reviewed

You won't. Wait- has PGMOL spoken?

 

[Joshref]

Fine with your latter phrasing... Calling decision dodgy has connotations.

Fair enough. I wasn’t sure what connotations you meant and then I looked it up. The first definition of dodgy is “dishonest.” Second definition “of low quality” is more what I was meaning!

Wasn’t trying to accuse them of cheating or anything, just meant dodgy in a poor way. Apologies for the misunderstanding!

 

[DJIC]

The explanations reported as coming out from PGMOL are even more bizarre. Seemingly the challenge on Jota wasn't a penalty as he had deliberately stopped to draw the contact, whereas in reality he had slowed down to steady himself to shoot at goal. And Kane's wasn't red because of the low speed and intensity of the challenge - err, he was running at speed and launched himself into the tackle.

I think we could accept that explanation for Paul Tierney in real time but VAR Chris Kavanagh, was he at MacDonalds in the first half?

 

[one]

Both reds for me for Kane ad Robertson. And both clear and obvious error not to be red. Both poor on field decisions consequences of ROVAR syndrome (Rely on VAR).
Me thinks if if Kane's was in the 75th minute there would have a review and if Robertson's was in the 20th there would not have been a review.

 

[RobOda]

Should Klopp have been dismissed for his rant at the referee at Full Time?

It's making the rounds on Twitter, and the fans love it, but I don't really like seeing it and the fact it wasn't even dealt with?

 

[cwyeary]

Should Klopp have been dismissed for his rant at the referee at Full Time?

It's making the rounds on Twitter, and the fans love it, but I don't really like seeing it and the fact it wasn't even dealt with?

Should he have? Sure. But sending Klopp off after he rants about you having something personal against him is tougher for a ref. Hope the PL takes action like they did with Poch once.

 

[Joshref]

Should Klopp have been dismissed for his rant at the referee at Full Time?

It's making the rounds on Twitter, and the fans love it, but I don't really like seeing it and the fact it wasn't even dealt with?

Klopp for me is routinely an arse with referees. I won’t say too much more because maybe my dislike for him is caused by fan bias but it just always feels like he’s dissenting.

Today was bad though, his sarcastic bowing after he was booked was easily worthy of a second yellow, and his post match antics could’ve also seen him being dismissed.

I can see why Tierney didn’t, and fair play to him for the amount of dissent cautions he gave. Would be great to see a manager sent off for dissent though, would send a great statement.

 

[deusex]

Klopp for me is routinely an arse with referees. I won’t say too much more because maybe my dislike for him is caused by fan bias but it just always feels like he’s dissenting.

Today was bad though, his sarcastic bowing after he was booked was easily worthy of a second yellow, and his post match antics could’ve also seen him being dismissed.

I can see why Tierney didn’t, and fair play to him for the amount of dissent cautions he gave. Would be great to see a manager sent off for dissent though, would send a great statement.

Klopp has been the biggest ref abuser in The EPL for a long time. Some people think he's a nice guy cos he smiles when he wins (which is a lot).
When he doesn't win he is a nasty piece of work. I'd take him as manager at my club of course but he is an a*se

 

[Joshref]

Not a massive Walton fan, but here are his takes. The first paragraph is up for debate, but not a fan of the second paragraph at all. Gives me “He’s not that type of player” vibes which is slightly concerning

 

[RefIADad]

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Not a massive Walton fan, but here are his takes. The first paragraph is up for debate, but not a fan of the second paragraph at all. Gives me “He’s not that type of player” vibes which is slightly concerning

This is not the first time Kane has made a challenge worthy of a red. He should have been sent off several years ago at Newcastle. I’d say he is very much “that type of player”, or at least one who isn’t above being tinged by the red mist.

 

[Peter Grove]

Feels to me like there might be new VAR guidance in force, they don't seem to want to get involved at all this weekend.

Interestingly enough, Dermot Gallagher also said that on a clip I just posted in the Newcastle vs Man City thread, while talking about the non-penalty award there.

I'm not sure how much involvement he still has but he claimed in a post-match punditry session that after a few soft penalties were given last week there was basically an instruction given to VAR to go back to a higher bar on such decisions this week.

So much for consistency.

 

[Peter Grove]

Yes the body was made unnaturally bigger. His arm is away from the body and bent which allows control.

I would have disagree - his arm is hardly away from his body at all and anyway, the law has further defined unnatural position this season, by saying that:

A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation.

And for me, that arm position is both a consequence of, and justifiable by his body movement in the situation.

Did it lead to a goal scoring chance? Yes the goalie was literally forced into a save which went straight to TAA who crossed for the goal.

Irrelevant. For an accidental handball leading to a goal to be an offence, the handball has to be by the player scoring the goal.