Wolves vs Arsenal

[zonknz]

The first contact is mid height on the leg, on the shin imho. Drives the studs into the top of boot then. I can see how you get orange rather than just yellow. If Oliver does say he sees contact to shin first then driving force into boot, he's not made a factual error, and Var leaves it as a refs call?

 

[Ori]

There's very little difference between a kick and a trip. The ball was miles away, so why would he possibly have kicked / tripped him if his only intention wasn't to take him out?

Have you watched it live? It’s late.

And if there is no difference between a trip and a deliberate kick then the laws of the game wouldn’t differentiate between them and a trip would be classed as a red card offence. That isn’t the case.
You are arguing on what you feel should be the laws, but not what is?

 

[Runner Ref]

The first contact is mid height on the leg, on the shin imho. Drives the studs into the top of boot then. I can see how you get orange rather than just yellow. If Oliver does say he sees contact to shin first then driving force into boot, he's not made a factual error, and Var leaves it as a refs call?

Pretty much

 

[Ori]

A still is very rarely, if ever going to help an arguement! But I’m intrigued by what this incident was. What happened? I’ve not seen anything online or in the media.

Feel free to watch the highlights here.

I’ve just watched them and I’m always defending refs with my friends. I just can’t defend these calls.
He gives a second yellow for what is a much more dangerous foul and for one we have seen people get straight reds all the time. And yes it makes a difference.

Five issues with Myles Lewis-Skelly's red card in Arsenal's win at Wolves - Premier League hits and misses

Plus: Trent Alexander-Arnold shines in Liverpools 4-1 home win over Ipswich; Alexander Isak proves he is the best striker in the Premier League after his two goals in Newcastles win at Southampton; Andoni Iraola works his magic once again in Bournemouths five-star win over Forest

www.skysports.com

 

[zonknz]

All that said, it's a **** challenge, rather than just a cynical trip.

 

[Ori]

The first contact is mid height on the leg, on the shin imho. Drives the studs into the top of boot then. I can see how you get orange rather than just yellow. If Oliver does say he sees contact to shin first then driving force into boot, he's not made a factual error, and Var leaves it as a refs call?

VAR said they checked and verified that the correct call is a red card.

 

[RustyRef]

Have you watched it live? It’s late.

And if there is no difference between a trip and a deliberate kick then the laws of the game wouldn’t differentiate between them and a trip would be classed as a red card offence. That isn’t the case.
You are arguing on what you feel should be the laws, but not what is?

I'll watch it in full on MoTD later, remember that this game wasn't available to watch on UK TV.

My point, at the risk of repeating myself, is a trip is only a trip if it is an attempt to get the ball, when the ball is nowhere neat it is no longer a footballing action. If you accidentally trip someone up on the street you won't be in trouble, if you deliberately trip them up to get the last place on the bus ahead of them you face being in a world of trouble.

 

[Ori]

I'll watch it in full on MoTD later, remember that this game wasn't available to watch on UK TV.

My point, at the risk of repeating myself, is a trip is only a trip if it is an attempt to get the ball, when the ball is nowhere neat it is no longer a footballing action. If you accidentally trip someone up on the street you won't be in trouble, if you deliberately trip them up to get the last place on the bus ahead of them you face being in a world of trouble.

Once again you are saying what you think should be the laws, but that’s not what they are.

So what about a short pull that drops a player? If you pulled someone’s shirt on the street to get the last place on the bus you would be in a world of trouble.

 

[Runner Ref]

Once again you are saying what you think should be the laws, but that’s not what they are.

So what about a short pull that drops a player? If you pulled someone’s shirt on the street to get the last place on the bus you would be in a world of trouble.

Depends, they might like you pulling their shirt

 

[Runner Ref]

Feel free to watch the highlights here.

I’ve just watched them and I’m always defending refs with my friends. I just can’t defend these calls.
He gives a second yellow for what is a much more dangerous foul and for one we have seen people get straight reds all the time. And yes it makes a difference.

Five issues with Myles Lewis-Skelly's red card in Arsenal's win at Wolves - Premier League hits and misses

Plus: Trent Alexander-Arnold shines in Liverpools 4-1 home win over Ipswich; Alexander Isak proves he is the best striker in the Premier League after his two goals in Newcastles win at Southampton; Andoni Iraola works his magic once again in Bournemouths five-star win over Forest

www.skysports.com

I’d like to have seen the 2nd caution for Gomes as a straight red. But again, I don’t think our elite are very good at spotting SFP.

 

[Ori]

I'll watch it in full on MoTD later, remember that this game wasn't available to watch on UK TV.

My point, at the risk of repeating myself, is a trip is only a trip if it is an attempt to get the ball, when the ball is nowhere neat it is no longer a footballing action. If you accidentally trip someone up on the street you won't be in trouble, if you deliberately trip them up to get the last place on the bus ahead of them you face being in a world of trouble.

Btw. You know I respect your opinion and I just don’t agree with you on this.
I have nothing but respect for you and your experience!

Saying that, you are wrong on this and once you see match of the day, I would be very interested to see your take on it.

 

[CaptainsPlease]

Ridiculous challenge, I am typically happy with red when studs are planted on the opponent and no attempt for the ball.

 

[OnlyUseMeWhistle]

Red for me. Plants his studs on the opponents leg and then rakes, it only looks a bit better because he catches the leg as it’s in the air. If it’s the planted leg then he’s nearly at knee height. BUT I’m not expecting VAR to overturn if MO gives a yellow there

 

[OldNavyRef]

Was listening to this on the radio. Then just finished watching the YouTube highlights.

Knew REFCHAT wouldn't disappoint. Can't wait for @Big Cat to explode.

Guarantee it gets overturned on appeal.

 

[RefereeX]

At best this is a ‘we would prefer a yellow card, but wouldn’t expect a VAR intervention’ or it’s a correct red card. It’s not worthy of the huge reaction it’s getting, in my humble opinion.

Good spot from MO in real time as to what happened, even if the red is potentially a little harsh…

 

[Big Cat]

Was listening to this on the radio. Then just finished watching the YouTube highlights.

Knew REFCHAT wouldn't disappoint. Can't wait for @Big Cat to explode.

Guarantee it gets overturned on appeal.

I was back in action this afternoon after 9 weeks injured, so the overall standard of refereeing around the country went up a notch despite this incorrect dismissal by MO

 

[Russell Jones]

VAR said they checked and verified that the correct call is a red card.

That’s not accurate (for this or any other incident). They do NOT confirm that it’s the correct or best call … only that it is not clearly and obviously wrong. It’s a subtle but hugely important difference. And, IMO, a reason why VAR makes things worse. They can look at many incidents, see that a different call would be ‘better’ but still (correctly, according to protocol) choose not to intervene

 

[Paul_10]

At best this a ‘we would prefer a yellow card, but wouldn’t expect a VAR intervention’ or it’s a correct red card. It’s not worthy of the huge reaction it’s getting, in my humble opinion.

Good spot from MO in real time as to what happened, even if the red is potentially a little harsh…

I have to admit I voted yellow card but the more I see it, I think it is a red. He's very late, and the studs do go in above the ankle. It does lack intensity mind but I do agree in that I think the criticism of the referee is over the top. No doubt because he's a young English player is adding to that.

The Sky sports piece in that link is a whole load of nonsense especially Tim Sherwood apparently saying how can it be serious foul play when he's 70 yards away from goal(I assume he means DOGSO). The referee made his decision and whilst most do think it's harsh, it certainly not a howler.

All that said, if Oliver give a yellow, I very much doubt VAR would get involved and i do believe the Wolves player should of got a straight red instead of a second yellow, I'm sure im right in saying, whilst VAR can't directly get involved in second yellows, he can still recommend a review if he thinks it should of been a stright red despite him being sent off anyways?

 

[RefereeX]

I'm sure im right in saying, whilst VAR can't directly get involved in second yellows, he can still recommend a review if he thinks it should of been a stright red despite him being sent off anyways?

Spot on, in fact this has happened before somewhere… player was called back to the field to have his second yellow cancelled and be shown a straight red.

 

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