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ladbroke8745 said:
Maybe we should not allow subs to be made until the 30 seconds minimum of waiting time for injuries (or ball next out, whatever comes last) to be made. Teams will think twice about feigning injury if they can just replace to nullify the supposed injury like with Califiori coming on for Trossard. Easier to make a sub than have to wait 30 seconds for Trossard to come back on.

Also, I don't think subs should be allowed to be made in added time. If a player has to go off injured in added time (and be replaced) then they have to sit out their next game (keeper exceptions).
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Sorry genuine question... do we need to make them wait 30 seconds on the sideline? Or is this a hypothetical? If we do I have not been following that at all! :redcard:
 
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Time wasting is the bane of the modern game at all levels. Teams know that most referees are not going to caution / dismiss players easily for it hence it continues.
The simple solution in my opinion is to turn the restart over in tardy situations. If a team is tardy say taking a throw in it goes the other way. Same for a corner kick which gets turned into a goal kick. No need for a card just loss of the restart.
I knew a referee who gave a foul throw for wrong location when the thrower abused the time. It gave a clear message lol
The change to the 6 second rule has worked well as in the past referees were reluctant to award the idfk whereas must less so to award a corner kick. Gks know that which is why they now get on with it.
 
Goldfish said:
Time wasting is the bane of the modern game at all levels. Teams know that most referees are not going to caution / dismiss players easily for it hence it continues.
The simple solution in my opinion is to turn the restart over in tardy situations. If a team is tardy say taking a throw in it goes the other way. Same for a corner kick which gets turned into a goal kick. No need for a card just loss of the restart.
I knew a referee who gave a foul throw for wrong location when the thrower abused the time. It gave a clear message lol
The change to the 6 second rule has worked well as in the past referees were reluctant to award the idfk whereas must less so to award a corner kick. Gks know that which is why they now get on with it.
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When was the last time you saw a ref actually visibly count the 8 seconds by the way (with arm in the air)? Saw it a few times early on, penalised twice i think even if one of them the keeper was being tracked by a forward to delay his release.
Yet ive counted (using the tv clock) 15 seconds plus on a few occasions and never picked up on. Its a gimmick that isn't used in pro game.
Just like last season with the kicking ball away. Enforced first few game weeks, ignored ever since.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
When was the last time you saw a ref actually visibly count the 8 seconds by the way (with arm in the air)? Saw it a few times early on, penalised twice i think even if one of them the keeper was being tracked by a forward to delay his release.
Yet ive counted (using the tv clock) 15 seconds plus on a few occasions and never picked up on. Its a gimmick that isn't used in pro game.
Just like last season with the kicking ball away. Enforced first few game weeks, ignored ever since.
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Every game I have been at as an observer the Referee has done throughout, with no requirement to penalise the goalkeeper. So it does work if/when used.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
When was the last time you saw a ref actually visibly count the 8 seconds by the way (with arm in the air)? Saw it a few times early on, penalised twice i think even if one of them the keeper was being tracked by a forward to delay his release.
Yet ive counted (using the tv clock) 15 seconds plus on a few occasions and never picked up on. Its a gimmick that isn't used in pro game.
Just like last season with the kicking ball away. Enforced first few game weeks, ignored ever since.
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I think it does largely happen. I don't watch much televised football, but everyone expects it in the games I'm involved in. One of the best law changes of recent years.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
When was the last time you saw a ref actually visibly count the 8 seconds by the way (with arm in the air)? Saw it a few times early on, penalised twice i think even if one of them the keeper was being tracked by a forward to delay his release.
Yet ive counted (using the tv clock) 15 seconds plus on a few occasions and never picked up on. Its a gimmick that isn't used in pro game.
Just like last season with the kicking ball away. Enforced first few game weeks, ignored ever since.
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i see this in every premier league game i watch

that said i don't think the refs start the count early enough, especially in the champions league
 
ladbroke8745 said:
When was the last time you saw a ref actually visibly count the 8 seconds by the way (with arm in the air)? Saw it a few times early on, penalised twice i think even if one of them the keeper was being tracked by a forward to delay his release.
Yet ive counted (using the tv clock) 15 seconds plus on a few occasions and never picked up on. Its a gimmick that isn't used in pro game.
Just like last season with the kicking ball away. Enforced first few game weeks, ignored ever since.
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From my 20+ games in National League games this season, the GK count has been utilised in every single one of them and referees have penalised the majority of DTR offences (including one in stoppage time in my game on Tuesday evening). The one 'initiative' that IMO has only been patchily employed is the Captain's Only protocol .. referee crowding by players remains an ongoing issue.
 
Russell Jones said:
From my 20+ games in National League games this season, the GK count has been utilised in every single one of them and referees have penalised the majority of DTR offences (including one in stoppage time in my game on Tuesday evening). The one 'initiative' that IMO has only been patchily employed is the Captain's Only protocol .. referee crowding by players remains an ongoing issue.
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I agree. No real defence to have not used it, but I've never used it. I always tell my captains to stop players surrounding me at kick off, and I will tell them to get their players away etc and will caution if surrounded and report etc, but it's just never occurred to me in a match to implement the protocol as such. I do think we need a signal for it that players understand (despite the fact I previously said a signal wasn't necessary) because without a signal, is there really any difference between implementing captains only and telling the captains to get the rest of their players away before we talk?
 
RefereeX said:
I agree. No real defence to have not used it, but I've never used it. I always tell my captains to stop players surrounding me at kick off, and I will tell them to get their players away etc and will caution if surrounded and report etc, but it's just never occurred to me in a match to implement the protocol as such. I do think we need a signal for it that players understand (despite the fact I previously said a signal wasn't necessary) because without a signal, is there really any difference between implementing captains only and telling the captains to get the rest of their players away before we talk?
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  • The referee can initiate the ‘only the captain’ guidelines by blowing the whistle and using the following signal:
    • Raising both arms above their head and crossing them at the wrists
    • Uncrossing their arms and moving them in front of their body with their palms open in a forward pushing motion to indicate that the players must not approach
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ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
  • The referee can initiate the ‘only the captain’ guidelines by blowing the whistle and using the following signal:
    • Raising both arms above their head and crossing them at the wrists
    • Uncrossing their arms and moving them in front of their body with their palms open in a forward pushing motion to indicate that the players must not approach
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Sorry yes, aware of the signal, but we've been advised not to use said signal at my level. That was what I meant. Also, if I did use the signal I'm pretty sure players would look at me as if to say 'what the bloody hell is he doing?'
 
Russell Jones said:
From my 20+ games in National League games this season, the GK count has been utilised in every single one of them and referees have penalised the majority of DTR offences (including one in stoppage time in my game on Tuesday evening). The one 'initiative' that IMO has only been patchily employed is the Captain's Only protocol .. referee crowding by players remains an ongoing issue.
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True, though I was at a Contrib game last Saturday & the player who was the most pain in in the rear was Home’s Captain!!
 
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ladbroke8745 said:
When was the last time you saw a ref actually visibly count the 8 seconds by the way (with arm in the air)? Saw it a few times early on, penalised twice i think even if one of them the keeper was being tracked by a forward to delay his release.
Yet ive counted (using the tv clock) 15 seconds plus on a few occasions and never picked up on. Its a gimmick that isn't used in pro game.
Just like last season with the kicking ball away. Enforced first few game weeks, ignored ever since.
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I watch a lot of football and see it in every game that I watch, whether on the TV or at a ground. It is one law change that has worked really, really well and undoubtedly has improved the game.
 
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ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
  • The referee can initiate the ‘only the captain’ guidelines by blowing the whistle and using the following signal:
    • Raising both arms above their head and crossing them at the wrists
    • Uncrossing their arms and moving them in front of their body with their palms open in a forward pushing motion to indicate that the players must not approach
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Isn’t that the same signal as the refereeing indicating that there has been an alleged racial incident?
 
RustyRef said:
Isn’t

Isn’t that the same signal as the refereeing indicating that there has been an alleged racial incident?
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The crossed arms part (only) is the racism allegation signal.

"FIFA has introduced a new official signal to be used when there is a racist incident during a match.

Just like we have hand signals for VAR reviews, penalties, and throw-ins, this new gesture — crossing the hands — indicates a racial abuse alert.

When this sign is made, it tells everyone in the stadium that the match officials have received a report of racial slur or discriminatory behaviour. It also signals that they are taking the matter seriously and are investigating to establish the truth and address the situation properly.

This initiative by FIFA reinforces the message that racism has no place in football"
 
es1 said:
i see this in every premier league game i watch

that said i don't think the refs start the count early enough, especially in the champions league
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This is where im more leaning on.
I've counted several times, even when I've gone to watch games live, and not once seen it acted on (except one PL game early this season).
 
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ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
The crossed arms part (only) is the racism allegation signal.

"FIFA has introduced a new official signal to be used when there is a racist incident during a match.

Just like we have hand signals for VAR reviews, penalties, and throw-ins, this new gesture — crossing the hands — indicates a racial abuse alert.

When this sign is made, it tells everyone in the stadium that the match officials have received a report of racial slur or discriminatory behaviour. It also signals that they are taking the matter seriously and are investigating to establish the truth and address the situation properly.

This initiative by FIFA reinforces the message that racism has no place in football"
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Where is this from? I have literally never seen or heard this before...
 
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