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Called red I real time and stand by that. Suspect something has come over the headset to Anthony Taylor to make him put the yellow away.

Kudos to Roberto Martinez - out of control is a good description. No intent I’m sure but the risk to the opponent’s safety is high. No issues here.
 
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But what is there in the tackle that meets the criteria of being a straight red?

Reckless and a yellow - understandable conclusion

Dangerous, violent or use of excessive force? I don't see it personally.
 
Endangering the safety of the opponent for me. Doesn’t have to cause him harm but there was a very real risk of doing so. Now had that been the other way around Guardiola would be having a hissy fit over the lack of protection for his players, and an apoplexy if the Wigan man was only cautioned.
 
I agree RC: out of control and potentionally endangering the safety of the opponent. If a similar tackle was on a city player; pep would be spitting fire to get the Wigan player off!! Don't know why he was so animated!
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Red for me but thought whoever the Wigan player was in the first min should have got a YC, sorry I missed the players involved
 
Red for me... the momentum with which Delph is coming in + the foot way off the floor = endangering the opponent's safety. From his angle I don't think AT had a good view of how high the foot was when making contact, so I can understand why he got the yellow out to begin with.
 
JD1 said:
But what is there in the tackle that meets the criteria of being a straight red?

Reckless and a yellow - understandable conclusion

Dangerous, violent or use of excessive force? I don't see it personally.
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Take a look at a few more angles. It's an obvious red for me.
And I understand why from AT's angle he couldn't see how excessive/high/dangerous it was. I think the AR has a done a good job there.
City, Pep, Delph really can't complain. That's the kind of challenge that ends a career or ends someone's chance to play.
 
Nailed on red for me. Guardiola made himself look very silly, he's been campaigning to the FA and PGMOL for such challenges to be red card offences, yet one of his players does it and it shouldn't be ...?!

That said, pulling out the yellow first hasn't helped Taylor.
 
I think Taylor pulled out his yellow in an attempt to calm the situation down. Then I think he got word in his ear from the AR or 4th who said it was 100% red and he tried to act like he was just writing down the number on the yellow card. It's not the greatest optics, but we want the other match officials to get involved on critical match incidents and I think that's what we saw today.
 
JD1 said:
But what is there in the tackle that meets the criteria of being a straight red?

Reckless and a yellow - understandable conclusion

Dangerous, violent or use of excessive force? I don't see it personally.
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You don't think that launching yourself at speed and from distance, studs up into an opponent is dangerous? I'm sorry but for me, that falls well within the parameters of, "A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent".
 
No issue with the red, needless challenge. Taylor has created that reaction by going for a yellow and appearing to change his mind, never looks good.

Pep's reaction is perfectly understandable. Not a single one of the disgusting challenges on City players has been correctly punished. All well and good protecting players, but oddly it seems to be open season on our players; this foul on Aguero in the same game for example, which wasn't even a yellow:
 

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cwyeary said:
I think Taylor pulled out his yellow in an attempt to calm the situation down. Then I think he got word in his ear from the AR or 4th who said it was 100% red and he tried to act like he was just writing down the number on the yellow card. It's not the greatest optics, but we want the other match officials to get involved on critical match incidents and I think that's what we saw today.
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Direct line from David Gill?

And what Matthew just said. There was another in the second half that looked as bad and only got a yellow.
 
As referees we need to make sure that we are communicating our decisions effectively. If AT thought it was yellow at first, then a NAR gives him a shout over the comms that it was red, that's great. So stand still, say to surrounding players and physically demonstrate to those players that you want them to move away (so spectators know what you are doing), then, one hand to your ear (as if you were saluting someone), and your other hand covering your mouth. That would clearly demonstrate that you are talking to your officials. Then changing to the red isn't so much of an issue. It's not because "you're reacting to other players crowding you screaming 'thats disgusting ref, he should walk' etc".

The good book and through training teaches us how to signal correctly with a flag, why can't these other areas of non-verbal communication be standardised, documented and taught as well?
 
xPositor said:
The good book and through training teaches us how to signal correctly with a flag, why can't these other areas of non-verbal communication be standardised, documented and taught as well?
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Completely agree, but that flies in the face of recent changes, which seem to show a consistent strategy of trying to take the spotlight away from the other officials. Note the abolition of the "penalty" signal for AR's. Note the absence of formal signals advised for AAR's.
 
GraemeS said:
Completely agree, but that flies in the face of recent changes, which seem to show a consistent strategy of trying to take the spotlight away from the other officials. Note the abolition of the "penalty" signal for AR's. Note the absence of formal signals advised for AAR's.
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You're right - and it's a shame - as we all know there are three teams out on the FOP during a game of football. Sometimes that team is comprised of one lonely sole, sometimes that team is up to seven (? 1 x Ref, 2 x NAR, 1 x 4th official, then depending upon competition 2 x AAR,1 x VAR).
 
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