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Struggling to see an offence at all. It is very difficult to get a freeze of the exact point of contact, but this is immediately before and it hit his left arm. Seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me.

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Law 12.3

Cautions for USB:

"Denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick for a non-deliberate handball offence."

I don't think anyone can say the handball was deliberate, especially because it deflected off his own teammate but he definitely made his body unnaturally bigger.

So referee was 100% correct in his actions.
 
RustyRef said:
Struggling to see an offence at all. It is very difficult to get a freeze of the exact point of contact, but this is immediately before and it hit his left arm. Seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me.

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It deflected off his teammate and then hit the player on the lines arm, his arm was a decent amount away from his body.

You only get away with deflection if it is off your own body in England (most of the time, unlucky livramento Vs PSG).
 
Referee has got it spot on. Yellow as it denied a goal but was non-deliberate. New law for this season.

On a side note though, how scrappy was that pinball on the edge of the penalty area?😳
 
RustyRef said:
Struggling to see an offence at all. It is very difficult to get a freeze of the exact point of contact, but this is immediately before and it hit his left arm. Seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me.
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I tend to agree. We kinda know it’s natural as it was in the position when no ball was coming towards him. That said, regardless of the language about natural, this seems a call that is relatively consistently given—the game seems to expect the arms closer to the body, even though that isn’t actually natural. Shrug.
 
If still a red card I don't think this would be given, but it now being a caution makes it the 'easier' decision even though I don't think in this instance it is an offence either.
 
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I think this has to be given, old or new laws. There is an expectation on avoiding your arm being at a 45 degree angle to body when attempting to block a ball, especially on the goal line (Harry Kewell got sent off in a world cup for something which wasn't as bad as this :) )

Its fair to say it's not deliberate but unnatural position which makes it a yellow with the current laws.
 
Some handballs that stop a goal are a yellow card and some are a red.

This is making the referee's job so much harder.

This isn't going to end well or some refs will issue a yellow regardless - making thier lives easier!
 
Kent Ref said:
This isn't going to end well or some refs will issue a yellow regardless - making thier lives easier!
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Not sure it makes life any easier. There are 2 teams on the end of every decision. Whichever way you go, you've now got a problem.
 
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I think this has to be given, old or new laws. There is an expectation on avoiding your arm being at a 45 degree angle to body when attempting to block a ball, especially on the goal line (Harry Kewell got sent off in a world cup for something which wasn't as bad as this :) )

Its fair to say it's not deliberate but unnatural position which makes it a yellow with the current laws.
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I think that still there is spot on. Penalty + caution.

But it is an extremely difficult one to get right in real time.

Some very big, on the spot calls to be made.
 
Kent Ref said:
This isn't going to end well or some refs will issue a yellow regardless - making thier lives easier!
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Initially I think it will make their lives a lot harder. Players are conditioned that handling on the goal line is a red card, so if the attacking team see a yellow and a penalty they will kick off, arguably more so than the defending team would have if it had been a red. Over time they might learn the difference between DOGSO-H and a caution for a non-deliberate handball, but it will take years.

And it will become even more difficult to explain if the team getting a penalty and a caution for their opponent have had a player sent off earlier in the season for DOGSO-H 😂
 
Perfect example of why the handball law is so challenging as a referee albeit anyone to interpret.

Football expects this to be handball but as a defender there is no way he is getting out of the way of that.

Defend with your arms tucked in is the only thing he can possible do to prevent this.
 
Redref34 said:
Perfect example of why the handball law is so challenging as a referee albeit anyone to interpret.

Football expects this to be handball but as a defender there is no way he is getting out of the way of that.

Defend with your arms tucked in is the only thing he can possible do to prevent this.
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It's a perfect example of how ridiculous the handball law has become and not much more.

As I've said on here before - the whole concept of "handball" is the fact that it's "illegal" in football to use that part of your anatomy.

Yet now we have the ridiculous premise of even though it wasn't intentional and the player didn't use their hand/arm to play the ball, it's still an "offence".

It's little more than a lottery from game to game now, whatever the level. Words fail me ...

Thanks IFAB!! 🤮
 
Agreed. First look for me I thought it was high enough up the arm to not be HB. I see on review again it's arm but wow, he's got no chance.
Good decision and correct I suppose but it's getting more difficult
 
I genuinely think (at grassroots level especially) that giving this as a penalty because the arm is out (potentially making it fall into the unnaturally bigger category) but accidental therefore a caution is an easier sell than waving this away as a play on. Look at player reaction as well… a handball on the line like this no matter if it’s against the laws or not is going to be so difficult to explain if not given.
 
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