United spurs.

[Ori]

Ok. I can’t see how the sending off wasn’t lowered to a yellow? What am I missing?

Don’t get me wrong, United suffering ref decisions does delight me.

 

[es1]

I thought it was red in real time. Slowed down I thought it was harsh. Its not ticked enough sfp boxes for me

 

[one]

I also think it was yellow. But VAR was correct not to intervene. Red is not a clear and obvious error.

 

[CaptainsPlease]

Ok. I can’t see how the sending off wasn’t lowered to a yellow? What am I missing?

Don’t get me wrong, United suffering ref decisions does delight me.

Haven't seen it, but the 'obvious' question what makes it a C&O error?

 

[Runner Ref]

I also think it was yellow. But VAR was correct not to intervene. Red is not a clear and obvious error.

This.

 

[Ori]

Haven't seen it, but the 'obvious' question what makes it a C&O error?

CO error is giving a red card.
Maybe ref thought he fought him with studs?

I don’t know, but I can’t justify a red card for sfp here.

 

[Ori]

This.

Really? A straight red is something that should be reviewed no?

 

[Runner Ref]

Really? A straight red is something that should be reviewed no?

It will have been reviewed and all reds are. But it’s not obvious enough for VAR to get involved with this season. Last season I think they probably would have.

 

[one]

Really? A straight red is something that should be reviewed no?

No.
Review only if a redis clearly and obviously wrong.

 

[one]

It will have been reviewed and all reds are. But it’s not obvious enough for VAR to get involved with this season. Last season I think they probably would have.

The correct terminology for VAR is that it was checked, but not reviewed. VAR checks it, if it's clearly and obviously wrong then recommends the the referee to review it.

 

[Ori]

No.
Review only if a redis clearly and obviously wrong.

Ok. Was it clearly and obviously wrong? I think it was.

 

[one]

Ok. Was it clearly and obviously wrong? I think it was.

I don't think it was, but more importantly VAR didn't think it was either

 

[Ori]

I don't think it was, but more importantly VAR didn't think it was either

I think it is, but you are correct that VAR didn’t.
Now this opens up a debate on subjectivity. What makes a clear and obvious error?

 

[deusex]

I also think it was yellow. But VAR was correct not to intervene. Red is not a clear and obvious error.

Yes it is.
If this isn't "C&O" then we accept a SFP decision is never going to be overturned this season. Fine. I look forward to this consistent approach.

 

[deusex]

I don't think it was, but more importantly VAR didn't think it was either

And they're never wrong

 

[DJIC]

I think a VAR Review would be appropriate, it wasn't SFP, it was a trip with the side of the boot.

Although from the referee’s view it did look like studs to shin, so accept why he saw it as SFP.

So for me it was C&O. (Not a fan of either team).

https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...-game-between-manchester-united-and-tottenham

 

[deusex]

I think a VAR Review would be appropriate, it wasn't SFP, it was a trip with the side of the boot.

Although from the referee’s view it did look like studs to shin, so accept why he saw it as SFP.

So for me it was C&O. (Not a fan of either team).

https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...-game-between-manchester-united-and-tottenham

I suspect the AR has advised RC.
The angle he has is the only one where it looks like Bruno has caught him on his knee. (Which he hasn't). I can understand the on field decision (as incorrect as it was) but VAR not correcting is just another howler.

 

[es1]

Empower VAR to make the right decision and we'll see better decisions.

 

[DJIC]

Empower VAR to make the right decision and we'll see better decisions.

But most KMI decisions are subjective………….. What is right or wrong is difficult, it is often opinion which is why it is best advice to leave to on-field decision unless C&O.

 

[Paul_10]

I also would like to add, I don't think VAR's should not get involved because they can see/understand why a referee may of gone yellow/red. If the video evidence suggests the tackle is more reckless rather than dangerous then a referee producing a red should be seen in their eyes as a potential error and it should be the same the other way round.

This "referees call" terminology is how I'm suspecting it might go is putting VAR's hands tied a little bit. It really feels almost like the first season of VAR where subjective decisions are being kept to the on field team despite as we all know not every decision is going to be correct by them. At least Howard Webb allows his refs to use the review area but as I said last week in the Martinez incidents, VARs have to be a bit braver if video evidence seems to contradict the referees decision. For me I don't like this referees decision is potentially wrong but not wrong enough for a VAR overturn. It's surely not what VAR is there for.