tournaments fees - again

[Ori]

You can't really count travel time when talking about minimum wage, who gets paid for travelling to their place of work? If you work at McDonalds you aren't paid for the time it takes you to travel to whichever branch you work at.

I know, but we have to arrive 30 mins before kick off and additional time. So reality it’s like 2.5hours for £40.
Now when they drop that to £20 for AR then it’s well below minimum wage.

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

I know, but we have to arrive 30 mins before kick off and additional time. So reality it’s like 2.5hours for £40.
Now when they drop that to £20 for AR then it’s well below minimum wage.

But earnings in waged posts are taxable, so for us as self-employed folks we cannot demand minimum wage/living wage rates. Market forces will apply - if they can't get referees or AR's, they will need to pay more.

 

[Ori]

But earnings in waged posts are taxable, so for us as self-employed folks we cannot demand minimum wage/living wage rates. Market forces will apply - if they can't get referees or AR's, they will need to pay more.

So what you are saying is we should unionise and go on strike.

 

[Martiju]

All the finals I took part in over the years were without pay, expenses or food. I was obviously in the wrong counties!

 

[Kent Ref]

All the finals I took part in over the years were without pay, expenses or food. I was obviously in the wrong counties!

We are tslking about tournaments not finals.

 

[Ross]

This season is the first season in 29 years of finals, where I’ve received a fee

 

[Quarryref]

This season is the first season in 29 years of finals, where I’ve received a fee

The norm I'm used to for County finals at least is you don't get a match fee, but you do get a medal, well looked after with drinks and food and often a warm up shirt or similar with a county badge. Mileage fees always offered but the done thing is to politely decline unless you really need them.

 

[ladbroke8745]

A friend of mine did a tournament yesterday and they had 2 spare refs for 16 pitches. 3 refs went at 4pm - same money though.

The hot food ran out at 2pm and they ran out of drinks by 3pm.

He was there 9.00 to 6pm and got £60. Two tournaments AM/PM.

He had 25 minutes off at lunch time. I make that less than £7 an hour.

He's not bothering next time. The organisation was poor too - so he said.

Club made 6.7k PROFIT. He'll now vote with his feet.

I've had that on some tournaments.
I've been there from 830am (for 9am start) until 6pm where some refs have turned up minutes before kick off (especially on the 2nd day) and been given the early finish too. Same fee. Some of the refs were also given the preferential treatment of the older age groups (more competitive games), smaller age groups (lack of teams, earlier finish), closest pitches too.
It was never shared about. The person who would "organise" the refs wouldn't actually referee themselves but also get a higher fee.

 

[RefereeX]

Think more and more league / counties are beginning to pay match fees for finals.
My opinion is that I would do the final without payment, but equally, why should we be rewarded for our performances / commitment throughout the year by doing what we normally do but without the payment? You wouldn't expect a semi pro or pro player who is playing in a final to forgo his wages that week or his goal bonus etc because it's a final.
(I'm aware that's not what the OP was about, but it has been brought up)

 

[HonestRef]

Think more and more league / counties are beginning to pay match fees for finals.
My opinion is that I would do the final without payment, but equally, why should we be rewarded for our performances / commitment throughout the year by doing what we normally do but without the payment? You wouldn't expect a semi pro or pro player who is playing in a final to forgo his wages that week or his goal bonus etc because it's a final.
(I'm aware that's not what the OP was about, but it has been brought up)

My Brothers old club actually had this no appearance fee in leauge cup games but they were allowed to opt out of playing.